Hi Joe:
Letsseee.....You were on 60m. You key in 9.5mhz and somehow you are supposed 
to know you are on 30m? Then you hit BAND UP and land on 20m when you 
started out on 60M? So you hit BAND DOWN and land back at 9.5mhz? Then you 
panic and hit BAND DOWN again and your on ummmm....40? Then BAND DOWN again 
and your on 60m and it looks just fine. What happend to my 9.5mhz? Oh....yea 
its up there somewhere...let's see...I'll go back up and change it to 30m 
again...etc.

And you don't see where the order is messed up? So you experimented?
Look....This is a great rig but changing bands is incredibly weird. Trying 
to defend it makes it sound even worse.

And for you 60m lovers....I have nothing against it....Just don't use it.

Of course with PowerSDR-IF and LP-PAN I can hop around the spectrum like 
crazy but that's another matter!
73
Steve
N4LQ
n...@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Planisky" <jp...@jeffnet.org>
To: "Steve Ellington" <n...@carolina.rr.com>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware Req for SWL band and Using Memories


>I don't see how you've "lost" any band or changed any band ordering in
> your example.
>
>     1. you used the BAND button to go to 60m (5.3xx MHz).
>
>     2. you punched in 9.5 MHz.  9.5 MHz happens to be within the
> boundaries of the K3's 30m band, therefore you've changed bands to 30m.
>
>     3. at this point, pressing BAND UP goes to 20m as expected.
>
>     4. from 20m, pressing BAND DN takes you back to your last
> frequency on 30m (9.5 MHz)
>
>     5. pressing BAND DN again, takes you to 40m.
>
> I really don't see where any order has been messed up or anything has
> been lost.  (Unless your rig is behaving differently than mine?)
>
> I've found it helpful to know that the actual band limits are as
> follows (determined experimentally);
>
> 160m  0.5 -  2.999999 MHz
>  80m  3.0 -  4.799999 MHz
>  60m  4.8 -  5.999999 MHz
>  40m  6.0 -  8.999999 MHz
>  30m  9.0 - 12.999999 MHz
>  20m 13.0 - 16.999999 MHz
>  17m 17.0 - 18.999999 MHz
>  15m 19.0 - 22.999999 MHz
>  12m 23.0 - 25.999999 MHz
>  10m 26.0 - 30.000000 MHz
>   6m 44.0 - 54.000000 MHz
>
> So any time I go from, say, 5.8 MHz to 6.1 MHz, I've changed bands
> from 60m to 40m, whether I've gotten there by direct frequency entry
> or by spinning the VFO knob. If I then hit BAND UP, I go from 40m to
> 30m.  And since the K3 remembers the last frequency used on any given
> band, if I then hit BAND DN, I go back to 6.1 MHz, which is the last
> 40m frequency I was on.
>
> Does this help at all, or am I still missing the boat?
>
> 73
> --
> Joe KB8AP
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Steve Ellington wrote:
>
>> Memories are too complicated and too much trouble. Seems like this
>> band switching confusion has been an ongoing problem since the
>> beginning. People, including me, foul up the band sequence by moving
>> out of band then changing bands. Suddenly, their favorite ham band
>> is missing.
>> I'm suggesting that another band, GEN, be added to the chain. If one
>> wants to play SWL, just go to that band and have at it.  It would
>> not mess up your band sequence nor would it mess up any other band.
>> My alternate suggestion was to allow the use of any particular band
>> for this purpose, such as 60 meters or some other band that you
>> never use. Right now, if one tries to do that it totally screws up
>> the order and you loose a band that had nothing to do with the one
>> you changed. I gave an example of this.
>> Steve
>> N4LQ
>> n...@carolina.rr.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Planisky" <jp...@jeffnet.org>
>> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware Req for SWL band and Using
>> Memories
>>
>>
>>> Here's yet another solution.
>>>
>>> I have the M1 - M4 per-band memories set up as follows for each ham
>>> band:
>>>
>>> M1 - Mode=CW, Freq = beginning of CW segment.
>>> M2 - Mode=CW, Freq = end of CW segment.
>>> M3 - Mode=USB or LSB, depending on the band, Freq = beginning of the
>>> phone segment.
>>> M4 - Mode=USB or LSB, depending on the namd, Freq = end of the phone
>>> segment.
>>>
>>> Then, when I've been tuning around the SWL bands and pressing BAND
>>> UP/
>>> DN takes me someplace unexpected, I just hit M>V and any of the M1-M4
>>> buttons and I'm back in the ham band.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> --
>>> Joe KB8AP
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 4:07 PM, John W2XS wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve posted:
>>>>>> I guess the only way to do this and not get confused is to fiddle
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> memories or remember to tune back within whatever ham band
>>>>>> you happened to screw up before changing bands.
>>>>
>>>> I do a lot of SWL'ing and AM BCB listening and always return to the
>>>> ham
>>>> bands by using one of the first 10 memory locations. This was an
>>>> idea posted
>>>> a while ago and I still find it very handy.  It's almost like band
>>>> buttons.
>>>
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