At 05:41 PM 8/3/2007, Juho wrote: >On Aug 2, 2007, at 16:38 , Warren Smith wrote: >>If range voters max and min the two perceived-frontrunner >>candidates, then they gain almost all the strategic advantages >>of approval voting, while still allowing quite a lot >>of honesty concerning other candidates. >> >> >>*2. So for example, if >>49% voted Bush=99, Gore=0, Nader=53(avg), and >>49% voted Gore=99, Bush=0, Nader=53(avg), and >>2% voted Nader=99, Gore=20, Bush=0 >>then Nader would win. >> >>This structure is a realistic possibility that totally contradicts the >>assertion RV >>"gives power to the candidate whose supporters >>have the most black and white, polarized view of the world." >>In this case, Nader is winning despite a severe lack of polarized >>Nader supporters. > >How about other strategic opportunities like 10 Gore supporters >giving Nader 0 points (instead of 53) and thereby making their >favourite (Gore) the winner?
That Range gives Nader an opportunity doesn't guarantee Nader a win? Should it? In this case, we have an *average* vote from the Bush and Gore supporters, both, of 53%. The Nader supporters voted quite strongly for Nader -- 20% for Gore is quite a weak vote, given how strongly both the Repubs and Dems supported Nader. Already. Note that the scenario described quite probably already has "10" Gore voters doing that. Probably quite a bit more than ten! I think Juho missed that the Nader votes were averages. Most election methods would give this election to Gore, period. Gore is the Condorcet winner. But Nader is arguably the best winner. In a situation like this, I'd trigger a runoff between Gore and Bush. This constant argument that Range gives too much power to extreme voters is truly bizarre. Rather, what has actually happened here is that the system gives Nader a chance. If enough voters vote against him, ranking him equal last, which is what was proposed, he's going to lose with either Range or a Condorcet method. However, if I had my 'druthers, with the winner, Gore, only getting 49% of the first place votes, a runoff might be a great idea. Who would win? You sure can't tell from the data for sure.... Unless we assume those are sincere and accurate expressions of relative utility, in which case Nader has a chance. Note that the Reps seem to prefer Nader, greatly, to Gore. So I'd predict Nader would win. >Juho > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is >radically easier to use" The Wall Street >Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > >---- >Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info