I follow Elm updates with great interest and I think 0.17 improved things once again. But I must say one of the main reasons I'm not using Elm today nor do I plan to use it on the medium term is how slow paced, constraining and tightly controlled it is. This is so contrary to the world will live in and the many pivots startups need to make to survive. People who want to contribute to make the Elm ecosystem better are absolutely not rewarded for doing so, instead they are encouraged to use ports which is of course one big hack used to delegate to a more capable language/platform.
Javascript is a very poorly designed language but you can get stuff done really fast with it, thanks to the easiness with which people can contribute to solve problems. Add typescript and some good libs, and it's even sustainable for the full lifetime of a project. "if it compiles, it's 90% chance that it will work" is great, but it's really not the only factor. All this to say, Elm has been created 3 years ago, I sincerely hope it will start to solve problems at a faster pace and be more open to the community. On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 9:04:53 AM UTC+2, Peter Damoc wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Evan <eva...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Use ports! >> >> Support for "web platform" things will expand as quickly is as manageable >> with all the other things that need to happen. >> > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/elm-discuss/oQz5_HvsdcQ/BFN_rLIDAgAJ > > Evan, > > Here is what I see: > > Fred attempted to expand the support for the "web platform". > He did all the work and produced a package that follows, to the best of > his abilities, the latest guidelines. > He even went as far as to gift this package to elm-lang.org. > He opened an issue and there are a number of people who saw that issue and > expressed interest in having this solved (even if they did it only by > giving the issue a thumbs-up) . > > There was NO official feedback on that issue in the past 7 days since it > was published. > No comment, no label, no feedback either way. > And now you say "Use ports!" like that doesn't even exist. > > I realize that there are other important things that need to happen but > maybe you should take some time and create some Community Guidelines that > would include a detailed checklist for contributing. > > Make it easier for people like Fred who are actively trying to help to > actually help. > Make it easier for people who see people like Fred to become like Fred > (active contributors). > > I realize that there are technical concerns and maybe legal concerns but > all these can be solved by adopting a clear and solid contribution process. > > You said last year: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Evan Czaplicki <eva...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I tend to be more conservative and risk averse on technical stuff, so I >> tend to be a control freak. >> > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/elm-discuss/np3BO9X5rEc/jG3AIiU2zYEJ > > That's perfectly fine and one of the reasons Elm evolves so nicely BUT it > is also one of the reasons Elm develops way slower than it needs to. > > Jeff pointed last year to ZeroMQ community as a source of inspiration. I > would LOVE for Elm community to follow a similar contract. > > On a side note, Pieter Hinjens recently distilled all his previous work on > community building into a free book. Here is the chapter on the C4 > ( Collective Code Construction Contract ) > <https://hintjens.gitbooks.io/social-architecture/content/chapter4.html> > it documents the reasons for why things are the way they are. > > So, in closing, help us help you make Elm even greater than it already is. > :) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Elm Discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to elm-discuss+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
