Richard
Almost ditto over a 4 year period at HP in Bristol with UL FUS and CSA Certification, and then Category Certification FUS, for the same reasons. The "almost" ? We had a UL FUS inspection (done then by BSI inspectors) that included a product where D.A. was with a US division, but they had changed the product "very" slightly by changing a plastic material from V-2 to HB for physical properties reasons without clearing that with UL - the UL report still said V-2 but the material was actually HB and the suppliers' certificates confirmed the latter. The inspector spotted that and promptly, and quite correctly (!), issued a non-compliance and so we got a "stop ship". The US division then took it up with UL and it gave a 90-day extension for use of the HB material because it was in a location where ignition was very unlikely in the event of any internal component failure. We restarted shipment within a week IIRC. Anyone in the UK need some "help" on issues like this because I would be delighted to assist J? As for the original reason for this series of posts, I have considerable sympathy for the complaint, and I would either ask for "clarification" from the NTRL or just walk away to some other NTRL after confirming that they would not be doing the same thing (might consider a slight uplift for covering multiple products, but only by prior agreement! John Allen W.London, UK -----Original Message----- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: 11 February 2016 22:27 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] NRTL invoices When I was hosting the FUS, I had a rule that inspection would not interrupt or disrupt production. I insisted that the inspector identify the products to be inspected, the construction, and the components before we went to the factory floor. If the product was not in production that day, then it could not be inspected. I determined when it would be in production, and the inspector could return on that date. (Never happened.) I refused to pay for a non-inspection. I set a goal of zero variances from an inspection. I did my own inspection in advance of when the unannounced inspection would take place. (Inspections at that time were quarterly; I could anticipate a window in which the inspection would occur.) I found and corrected either the construction or the report. The certification house couldn't believe we could go so long -- two years -- without a variance, so they sent managers to oversee the inspections. Zero variances. Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian O'Connell > [ <mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com> mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:47 AM > To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] NRTL invoices > > Generally good advice, and that was the first thing > looked at -> just generic, vague stuff about fees. > > Methinks the days of having multiple agency marks on > our stuff are ending. The remaining agency mark(s) will > be those whose services actually add value to my employer's products. > The compliance engineering community should push back. No longer view > many compliance agencies as being part of a sustainable and > rational economic model. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Nute [ <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> mailto:ri...@ieee.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:31 AM > To: Brian O'Connell; EMC- > <mailto:p...@listserv.ieee.org> p...@listserv.ieee.org > Subject: RE: [PSES] NRTL invoices > > Check your contract! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Starting last year, noticed that some NRTLs are > charging > > twice for same audit. For example - same > equipment > > category, same file reference, but getting > charged > > factory FUS audit fees for both audit of > products in > > production and 'Production Ready'. Previously, > was > > charged for PR audit only when nothing from that > > file/volume in production. When asked, these > NRTLs > > either ignore the question, or kindly inform us > to go > > somewhere else. > > > > Anyone else able to successfully push back these > > double charges for factory audits? > > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > > > - > -------------------------------------------------- -------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. 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