...and there are jurisdictions on a level smaller than state that can adopt a version as well, such as counties and even cities.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Scott Douglas <sdouglas...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not only do states adopt specific versions, they often adopt just parts of > specific versions. And unless they put specific language in the adoption > law to allow newer or older sections, they are usually bound by what > exactly was adopted. > > On Jul 26, 2016 12:28 PM, "Joe Randolph" <j...@randolph-telecom.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pete: >> >> >> >> Here’s my experience with keeping track of upcoming changes in NFPA 70. >> >> >> >> For the last two years I have been following the development of the 2017 >> edition of NFPA 70 because of some changes that it makes to Article 840, >> “Premises Powered Broadband Equipment.” In order to see the current draft >> of the 2017 edition and the committee comments, I had to join the NFPA for >> $175, but it was worth it to me because the changes in Article 840 directly >> affected a project I was working on. >> >> >> >> While joining the NFPA allowed me to view the current draft on my >> computer screen, there was no way to download the document or even copy >> anything more than what is on the screen. >> >> >> >> In summary, it **is** possible to see the draft version as it develops, >> but it requires some effort. This may have changed recently because I >> believe the final draft has been officially voted on and adopted. >> >> >> >> On a related note, I have found that when each state or jurisdiction >> adopts NPFA 70 into their local laws, the legislation often specifies a >> specific edition of NFPA 70. For example, as of last year when I was >> looking at this, the state of Connecticut’s law still called out the 2005 >> edition of NFPA 70. This seems problematic for dealing with changes in >> the NEC over time. >> >> >> >> I’m not sure what happens when a revised requirement appears in an >> edition of NFPA 70 that is newer than the edition called out by the laws of >> the local jurisdiction. Two types of situation can occur: >> >> >> >> 1) The new requirement is MORE restrictive than the version in the >> edition called out in the legislation >> >> 2) The new requirement is LESS restrictive than the version in the >> edition called out in the legislation >> >> >> >> Does anyone in this group know how that works? My impression that the >> specific individual doing the inspection (the AHJ) has wide latitude to >> pick and choose from both editions, but this may be a mistaken impression. >> It certainly would create a lot of uncertainly for a company that is trying >> to deploy a single product throughout the USA. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Randolph >> >> Telecom Design Consultant >> >> Randolph Telecom, Inc. >> >> 781-721-2848 (USA) >> >> j...@randolph-telecom.com >> >> http://www.randolph-telecom.com >> >> >> >> *From:* Pete Perkins [mailto:00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:36 PM >> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 >> >> >> >> Doug, et al, >> >> >> >> If you were really interested you would be involved in the >> committee that revises the NEC every 3 years and have already read the >> pertinent changes in which you are interested. >> >> >> >> All of these changes are done in an open forum and the >> documents seem available; I don’t follow them, however. >> >> >> >> :>) br, Pete >> >> >> >> Peter E Perkins, PE >> >> Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant >> >> PO Box 23427 >> >> Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 >> >> >> >> 503/452-1201 >> >> >> >> p.perk...@ieee.org >> >> >> >> *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com <doug...@gmail.com>] >> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 3:13 PM >> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 >> >> >> >> Have we established that the 2017 edition actually has NRTL vs Listed? >> >> >> >> I would like to hear some clause references since it is nearly 600 pages. >> >> >> >> Thanks, Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> Douglas E Powell >> >> Colorado USA >> >> doug...@gmail.com >> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The NEC is a model standard and intended to be adopted by local and state >> AHJs. In doing so, the AHJs often take exception to some requirements, and >> add some requirements. In adopting the NEC, the AHJs must specify what >> “listing” means – what third-party certifiers are acceptable to the local >> or state AHJ. The NEC has not mentioned or specified by name a third-party >> certifier. >> >> >> >> AHJs accept third-party certifications according to their local or state >> rules. A specific NRTL certification may or may not be currently >> acceptable. >> >> >> >> Now that the 2017 NEC specifies NRTL, it will be interesting to see how >> the local and state AHJs accept specific NRTLs, or NRTLs by standards (as >> does OSHA), or blanket all NRTLs. Note that AHJs have different objectives >> than OSHA, who runs the NRTL program. >> >> >> >> >> >> Rich >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc >> discussion list. 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