Thanx to Joe and all for the comments,
With Joe’s explanation I now know 2 people who follow the NEC changes regularly; it doesn’t seem to be too common in this circle. But my earlier point remains, it is possible to keep up with these changes by being part of the process. I agree with the ongoing comments showing that each of the more than 10k Jurisdictions adopt the NEC on their own conditions. The City of LA has always had a long list of delta’s with the code; perhaps that was their way of pushing for changes that they thought needed. Within each Jurisdiction each AHJ inspector has their own short list of hot button issues to contend with. I have smoothed over installation safety conflicts by arranging a meeting with the AHJ inspector, preferably at the equipment/jobsite to get agreement on what has to be done then working with the equipment supplier to get the work in place and properly identified as being adequate and walking the inspector thru the completed work to get agreement. From a foreign outsiders point of view this is all confusing. Any company getting involved in selling electrical products in the US must come up to speed as quickly as possible in order to avoid getting stopped selling or installing their equipment here. Harmonization of technical requirement over the last 30+ years has been helpful for the classes of equipment that have participated; the understanding of the specific country requirements and certification procedures has gotten more complicated. This has been a recurring IEEE ISPCE conference theme. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:20 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 As far as I know in North Carolina the NEC is adopted by version so the 2017 version will not apply until specifically adopted. NC usually waits a few years after the initial release for things to shake out before adopting the latest. And I believe the local inspector in NC has authority to accept or require what he wants regardless of the NEC. -Dave From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:44 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 Not only do states adopt specific versions, they often adopt just parts of specific versions. And unless they put specific language in the adoption law to allow newer or older sections, they are usually bound by what exactly was adopted. On Jul 26, 2016 12:28 PM, "Joe Randolph" <j...@randolph-telecom.com <mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com> > wrote: Hi Pete: Here’s my experience with keeping track of upcoming changes in NFPA 70. For the last two years I have been following the development of the 2017 edition of NFPA 70 because of some changes that it makes to Article 840, “Premises Powered Broadband Equipment.” In order to see the current draft of the 2017 edition and the committee comments, I had to join the NFPA for $175, but it was worth it to me because the changes in Article 840 directly affected a project I was working on. While joining the NFPA allowed me to view the current draft on my computer screen, there was no way to download the document or even copy anything more than what is on the screen. In summary, it *is* possible to see the draft version as it develops, but it requires some effort. This may have changed recently because I believe the final draft has been officially voted on and adopted. On a related note, I have found that when each state or jurisdiction adopts NPFA 70 into their local laws, the legislation often specifies a specific edition of NFPA 70. For example, as of last year when I was looking at this, the state of Connecticut’s law still called out the 2005 edition of NFPA 70. This seems problematic for dealing with changes in the NEC over time. I’m not sure what happens when a revised requirement appears in an edition of NFPA 70 that is newer than the edition called out by the laws of the local jurisdiction. Two types of situation can occur: 1) The new requirement is MORE restrictive than the version in the edition called out in the legislation 2) The new requirement is LESS restrictive than the version in the edition called out in the legislation Does anyone in this group know how that works? My impression that the specific individual doing the inspection (the AHJ) has wide latitude to pick and choose from both editions, but this may be a mistaken impression. It certainly would create a lot of uncertainly for a company that is trying to deploy a single product throughout the USA. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 <tel:781-721-2848> (USA) <mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com> j...@randolph-telecom.com <http://www.randolph-telecom.com> http://www.randolph-telecom.com From: Pete Perkins [mailto:00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org <mailto:00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> ] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:36 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 Doug, et al, If you were really interested you would be involved in the committee that revises the NEC every 3 years and have already read the pertinent changes in which you are interested. All of these changes are done in an open forum and the documents seem available; I don’t follow them, however. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <tel:503%2F452-1201> <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:13 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 Have we established that the 2017 edition actually has NRTL vs Listed? I would like to hear some clause references since it is nearly 600 pages. Thanks, Doug Douglas E Powell Colorado USA <mailto:doug...@gmail.com> doug...@gmail.com <http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> > wrote: The NEC is a model standard and intended to be adopted by local and state AHJs. In doing so, the AHJs often take exception to some requirements, and add some requirements. In adopting the NEC, the AHJs must specify what “listing” means – what third-party certifiers are acceptable to the local or state AHJ. The NEC has not mentioned or specified by name a third-party certifier. AHJs accept third-party certifications according to their local or state rules. A specific NRTL certification may or may not be currently acceptable. Now that the 2017 NEC specifies NRTL, it will be interesting to see how the local and state AHJs accept specific NRTLs, or NRTLs by standards (as does OSHA), or blanket all NRTLs. Note that AHJs have different objectives than OSHA, who runs the NRTL program. Rich - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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