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[image: Header] We've made changes to the document information page for NFPA 70, *National Electrical Code®* Take a look at: NFPA 70, *National Electrical Code®* <http://www.nfpa.org/70> *2017 edition:* * Posted under Next Edition tab:* Amendment Ballot: Final, Amendments 70-3, 70-7, 70-14, 70-22, 70-23, 70-25, 70-27, 70-29 and 70-41 TIA Ballot: Finals, TIA No. 1234 Please do not reply to this e-mail NFPA • One Batterymarch Park • Quincy • Massachusetts • 02169-7471 • USA On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Mike Sherman ----- Original Message ----- < msherma...@comcast.net> wrote: > Pete -- > > Thanks for the suggestion. I looked on the NFPA.org website at the NFPA 70 > draft dated 4-8-2016 and there is a new section 422.6: > "422.6 Listing Required > All appliances operating at 50 volts or more shall be listed." > > The definition for "Listed" in article 100 of NFPA 70 is complicated (too > much to re-type here) but: 1) sounds like an NRTL; 2) does not specifically > use the term NRTL. > > The definition for "Appliance" in article 100 of NFPA 100 starts off: > "Utilization equipment, generally other than industrial..." and gives a few > examples that could be either household or commercial (e.g., washing > machine, air conditioning units, food mixers, deep fryers). Hard to tell > the intent of the changes here. > > I'm guessing from the format that both "Listed" and "Appliance" > definitions are being tweaked this time around, but have not checked this > against the 2014 version. > > Mike Sherman > Graco Inc. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Pete Perkins" <00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> > *To: *"EMC-PSTC" <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:35:43 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 > > Doug, et al, > > > > If you were really interested you would be involved in the > committee that revises the NEC every 3 years and have already read the > pertinent changes in which you are interested. > > > > All of these changes are done in an open forum and the > documents seem available; I don’t follow them, however. > > > > :>) br, Pete > > > > Peter E Perkins, PE > > Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant > > PO Box 23427 > > Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 > > > > 503/452-1201 > > > > p.perk...@ieee.org > > > > *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 3:13 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 > > > > Have we established that the 2017 edition actually has NRTL vs Listed? > > > > I would like to hear some clause references since it is nearly 600 pages. > > > > Thanks, Doug > > > > > > Douglas E Powell > > Colorado USA > > doug...@gmail.com > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> wrote: > > > > > > The NEC is a model standard and intended to be adopted by local and state > AHJs. In doing so, the AHJs often take exception to some requirements, and > add some requirements. In adopting the NEC, the AHJs must specify what > “listing” means – what third-party certifiers are acceptable to the local > or state AHJ. The NEC has not mentioned or specified by name a third-party > certifier. > > > > AHJs accept third-party certifications according to their local or state > rules. A specific NRTL certification may or may not be currently > acceptable. > > > > Now that the 2017 NEC specifies NRTL, it will be interesting to see how > the local and state AHJs accept specific NRTLs, or NRTLs by standards (as > does OSHA), or blanket all NRTLs. Note that AHJs have different objectives > than OSHA, who runs the NRTL program. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < > emc-p...@ieee.org> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> > > > > > > -- > > > > Douglas E Powell > > doug...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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