Pete -- Thanks for the suggestion. I looked on the NFPA.org website at the NFPA 70 draft dated 4-8-2016 and there is a new section 422.6: "422.6 Listing Required All appliances operating at 50 volts or more shall be listed."
The definition for "Listed" in article 100 of NFPA 70 is complicated (too much to re-type here) but: 1) sounds like an NRTL; 2) does not specifically use the term NRTL. The definition for "Appliance" in article 100 of NFPA 100 starts off: "Utilization equipment, generally other than industrial..." and gives a few examples that could be either household or commercial (e.g., washing machine, air conditioning units, food mixers, deep fryers). Hard to tell the intent of the changes here. I'm guessing from the format that both "Listed" and "Appliance" definitions are being tweaked this time around, but have not checked this against the 2014 version. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Perkins" <00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> To: "EMC-PSTC" <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:35:43 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 Doug, et al, If you were really interested you would be involved in the committee that revises the NEC every 3 years and have already read the pertinent changes in which you are interested. All of these changes are done in an open forum and the documents seem available; I don’t follow them, however. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 p.perk...@ieee.org From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:13 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 Have we established that the 2017 edition actually has NRTL vs Listed? I would like to hear some clause references since it is nearly 600 pages. Thanks, Doug Douglas E Powell Colorado USA doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Richard Nute < ri...@ieee.org > wrote: The NEC is a model standard and intended to be adopted by local and state AHJs. In doing so, the AHJs often take exception to some requirements, and add some requirements. In adopting the NEC, the AHJs must specify what “listing” means – what third-party certifiers are acceptable to the local or state AHJ. The NEC has not mentioned or specified by name a third-party certifier. AHJs accept third-party certifications according to their local or state rules. A specific NRTL certification may or may not be currently acceptable. Now that the 2017 NEC specifies NRTL, it will be interesting to see how the local and state AHJs accept specific NRTLs, or NRTLs by standards (as does OSHA), or blanket all NRTLs. Note that AHJs have different objectives than OSHA, who runs the NRTL program. 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