Another challenge is that the working documents (CD, CDV, FDIS, etc.) are all copyright IEC. They do not want them distributed widely as they have no control. That, and the fact that a bunch of their income comes from the sale of standards (which they sell “by the page”). As little changes between an FDIS and a published standard (unless the central office screws something up like they did with the first edition of CISPR 32) people having copies of the FDIS have basically a free copy of a standard that would otherwise cost $200-$300 or more. You have to protect your income stream.
Ghery S. Pettit From: Ted Eckert <000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 8:54 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS) I can only speak of my experience within the U.S. National Committee for TC 108, and I am speaking about my personal experience and not in any official capacity as a representative of that committee. One of the challenges on the committee is getting the members to actively participate. We occasionally have members submit comments to a draft standard and then they don’t show up to the meeting where the committee reviews and votes on the comments. It isn’t difficult to discuss a comment if it is written well and includes a clear justification. However, that is rarely the case. Most often, we need the submitter to provide more details at the meeting before the committee can make an informed decision about the proposed change. If the National Committee accepts the comment and proposed change, they must be willing to press their case at the international meetings. The further removed the original submitter is from the process, the harder it becomes. My impression is that committee membership is open to those who are willing to actively participate. It does entail some expense and this can make it harder for individuals to participate. However, the multi-level national/international standards development create complexities greater than what NFPA faces. There needs to be a balance between openness and the ability to operate effectively. Currently, the vast majority of comments come from a small minority of committee members. It would not be unreasonable to interpret this as meaning that there isn’t a strong interest for greater participation and wider input on the standards development. I do believe that the U.S. National Committee would like greater participation. New members would be welcome, particularly if they are willing to be active in the committee and to support the committee at the international level. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, TC 108, ANSI or the U.S. Technical Activities Group for TC 108. From: John Woodgate <j...@woodjohn.uk <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 8:20 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS) The secrecy is mostly justified as a protection of committee members from abusive reactions and even threats. However, the secrecy is often exaggerated, because we don't like being asked for documents we personally are not allowed to pass on. It's up to the National Committees of the IEC or ISO in each case to decide whether an enquirer has a justified reason for studying a 'work in progress' document, and their attitudes do differ; some are more liberal than others. But committee members of National Committees that mirror IEC or ISO committees are not just encouraged but required to consult their colleagues in their sponsoring organization about responses to circulated documents. The restrictions in this case are significant for those National Committees that charge for committee membership. Both IEC and British Standards have relatively recently introduced new ways that non-members of committees can see and comment on documents. See the web sites for details. This may require a lot of 'burrowing'. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.woodjohn.uk&data=04%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C46a8758f27264e39933c08d58dad014a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636570696651836433%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwifQ%3D%3D%7C-1&sdata=HQiQWNhMXLEwIIqrCdWjPic6qJ96CXUQwk3gyoo%2BxVA%3D&reserved=0> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-19 14:51, Robert Johnson wrote: I object to the secrecy and closed aspects of the IEC standards process. A better example is the NFPA where revision cycles are rigorously scheduled, public input and change requests are welcome, proposals are openly debated and published, and the standard is publicly available. They still seem to generate sufficient revenue from standards sales. Bob Johnson On 03/18/2018 03:54 PM, John Woodgate wrote: 1. You can ask your National Committee, but that may not work. At some future date, maybe not far off, it may be available from the IEC as a 'PRV' (Pre-release version), which you pay for but then get the actual published version for no additional charge. 2. The differences are too extensive and to detailed to recount. And 'major' is a dangerous word. A big change might not affect your product but a small change could put it off the market until it's fixed. 3. Yes, after a lot of headless chicken, it is. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.woodjohn.uk&data=04%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C46a8758f27264e39933c08d58dad014a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636570696651836433%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwifQ%3D%3D%7C-1&sdata=HQiQWNhMXLEwIIqrCdWjPic6qJ96CXUQwk3gyoo%2BxVA%3D&reserved=0> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-18 19:25, Vincent Lee wrote: Hi all, Good afternoon, 1) May I know where can one has access to IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS) ? 2) What are the major differences between IEC 62368-1 3ed and 2nd editions ? 3) Is Sub-clause 4.1.1 on uses of IEC 60950/60065 Components still allowed in IEC 62368-1 3ed ? Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you. 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