Ok- so I o-scope'd the mystery wire again this time while taking the table
through it's entire length of travel to find that the signal has a few
places where it blips high.  My question is, if an index signal on these
encoders is supposed to give a position reference, why would there be more
than one???

Thanks for any info!
-Pat

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM, pat lyons <[email protected]> wrote:

> Guys thanks a TON for the suggestions and info, I will be looking into them
> and I'll letcha know what the outcome is!
>
> -pat
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Gene Heskett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>  On Tuesday 10 November 2009, Pat Lyons wrote:
>>
>>> my photo attachment of the red slide unit was rejected cause it was too
>>> big
>>> a file.
>>>
>>> I have a new question though-
>>>
>>> is it possible that these encoders can be counted on both the rising and
>>> falling edge of both signals?
>>> in other words:
>>>
>>> if I count the falling edges on one wire as *640 falling edges per inch*,
>>> does this actually mean its *640 x 2* for rising and falling edges? then
>>> x2
>>> again for two signal quadrature?  or is the quadrature pair only to
>>> provide
>>> direction information?
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> -pat
>>>
>>
>> Pat: There are logic diagrams extant here on the web, check the major chip
>> makers sites for application notes (and the wiki.linuxcnc.org pages too)
>> and
>> even complete chips available today that can derive from those quadrature
>> outputs, a complete, valid # of steps and instant direction from them.
>>  The
>> only use for the index pulse is so that the count can be zeroed at a
>> specific
>> point in the rotation.  And in order for this to not have a potential of a
>> one or two count ambiguity is if the index pulse is narrower than a single
>> edge count going either way, eg the index must be narrow enough, and well
>> centered in the time frame where both A&B are high or both A&B are low.
>> Either that, which requires some decent precision in making the encoder,
>> or a
>> method worked out in the logic so that it will only use one edge of the
>> index
>> pulse, and which edge corresponds to the instant state of the direction
>> signal.  I haven't worked out that bit of logic but I believe it could be
>> done.  And it would certainly present the least restrictions on how
>> sloppily
>> the encoder is made.
>>
>> Thinking about the index 'problem', it might be possible to use the index
>> pulse edge detected by the correct edge via using the instant direction
>> state
>> to select which edge of the index was actually the correct one.
>>
>> Here are 2 chips that might be usable:
>> <http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-0096EN>
>>
>> And also Pico Systems (our own Jon Elson) makes a board that can
>> apparently
>> handle 4 encoders, but I wasn't able to make the web page show me much
>> about
>> it.  It does 24 bit counting.
>>
>> Other choices are just a google away.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers, Gene
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