On Thursday, June 02, 2011 02:01:42 AM Jon Elson did opine:

> gene heskett wrote:
> > Well, I did the deed, and I have verified that when the switch is off,
> > there is a dead short across the receptacle the motor is plugged into.
> > About 20 tests with the saw motor plugged into it, no effect.  Unplug
> > the saw motor and plug in a cheap Skil router I have installed in the
> > right table.  Also no effect.  Both coast to a stop as usual, taking
> > about 15 seconds for the saw, and at least 10 for the router to come
> > to a complete halt.
> > 
> > Two universal motors in a row with absolutely zero residual
> > magnetism???
> > 
> > Is the grain oriented silicon steel that most of these field stacks
> > are made of for the last 25 years that free of hysteresis?
> > 
> > Boggles this old electronics types mind...
> 
> Well, that lawnmower motor may have had some special feature, either in
> the steel, the shape
> of the field poles, or something that made this work.  Maybe they even
> had a little permanent
> magnet buried under the field windings.

This might be a place for one of those super magnets?

> Very interesting that this
> doesn't work at all on those
> motors.  Now, on the router, it needs to be one with no speed control
> built into it, I can
> easily see an SCR speed controller preventing the shorted power source
> from making this
> work.  Also, a number of routers even without speed controllers have a
> bridge rectifier
> in them, so they run the motor on intermittent DC.
> 
No such luck, I've had one of them apart.  No rectifiers.  My pet Hitachi 
router with the speed control and soft start would be another horse 
entirely.  I should take inventory some day & see how many routers I have.  
;-)

> Jon
> 
> 
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