Well, if you have 2 differential wires with a simple optoisolator at the 
far end, ground noise/ground loops would have no effect whatsoever.  You 
don't need a ground. There would be no place to put a ground.  There are 
no common-mode issues.  The slave device's ground could be +300VDC above 
the master's ground.

However, RS485 doesn't spec that way.   The ADAM isolator box I have 
probably has optos inside, but has to make an RS485 output- which is a 
low-voltage DC differential in relation to a known ground.

Danny

On 4/3/2016 5:21 AM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 11:34:25 -0400
> Gene Heskett <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ...
>> Given all that, I do not see how, in a noisy industrial environment, or
>> even here at the Heskett's home camp, it can be error free unless an
>> optical translator, bidirectional, is used at BOTH devices terminals.
> I am not sure about the optical translators. Why however I can't tell for 
> sure.
>
>> ...
>>
>> The question then seems to be, is who makes these rs485 to opto fiber (or
>> even to RJ45 jacks & cat5 or cat6 cable since it doesn't have this
>> common mode noise problem that I am aware of), bidirectional translators
>> and at what cost.
> Ethernet which use the RJ45 connector have tranformer for insulation. I have 
> experienced communication errors over Ethernet then communicating with 
> inverter.
>
>
> Nicklas Karlsson
>
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