On Friday 01 April 2016 13:58:55 Stephen Dubovsky wrote:

> You can not include the termination or pull up/down resistors on a
> RS422/485 network in the drivers (unless they can by disabled.)  You
> don't know where (or how many) are located on the bus.  They are
> multi-drop networks after all.  Only terminate the two far ends.
>
Thank you Stephen, I hadn't remembered that as I only had one instance of 
it, point to point at the tv station, and it Just Worked(TM).

Can I blame it on aged wet ram?  You are of course correct.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Nicklas Karlsson <
>
> [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > Twisted pair is a transmission line and subject to all the
> > > > > vagaries of load matching and such.
> > > > >
> > > > > That cables impedance is not listed there,
> > > >
> > > > Yes it is. 120 Ohms.
> > >
> > > Resistance is NOT impedance, Andy.  And I first read that as 1200
> > > because my screen is high res and the ohm sign looks like another
> > > 0 at first glance, I mentaly threw that whole line out as being
> > > technically impractical, written by someone who obviously did not
> > > understand anything about transmission line theory.  My bad for
> > > the miss read of 120 ohms as 1200 ohms, but still the use of the
> > > word resistance renders it null and void in my technical mind.  If
> > > they meant impedance, they should have written impedance. If the
> > > loads J dactor is 0, then they would directly correspond, but that
> > > J=0 generally would be quite rare in the real world.
> > >
> > > However, my comments about the load termination, in this case with
> > > a 120 ohm resistor from wire to wire at the load end are still
> > > valid.
> >
> > https://www.expertdaq.com/static/img/info/RS485-termination-120-ohm.
> >gif
> >
> > I think the extra bias network to power rails is necessary to get
> > correct level in between data is sent.
> >
> > > Properly done, thats taken care of in the rs485 interface in the
> > > device, but you never know when some bean counter between the
> > > engineer and the production line will delete that seemingly
> > > useless part as a cost saver.
> >
> > They save beans in the short but have to spend more of them later.
> > By investing the beans in rather good fast growing soil they figured
> > out they could return more of them later but still have some left
> > for them self.
> >
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