Stuart

could you please send me a PM with chris radeks email unless of course he
sees it here.  I have no way of contacting him..

just to confirm does your toolchanger calculate the shortest path and move
the chain magazine that way to get to the required pocket?

And also I am a little stuck now actually getting the handshaking with
linuxcnc working

I know how to get a S32 number into classic ladder.  to tell classic ladder
which pocket to choose
and I have me ladder logic to not more until I send a tool prepare signal
from linuxcnc.  But I don't actually know how the linuxcnc signals work
properly.  I am just guessing.
I know how to send a tool prepared signal from my ladder logic back to
linuxcnc to tell it that the tool is prepared and the toolchange can start.
So I would really appreciate some help on the actual signals.  From the
sound of it you have used linuxcnc for ages so know all about it.

Even if you shared me your tool change hal file that may be enough.  I just
want to check what actual io control signals I need to connect for each
part and if there is anything i need to look out for
I think this infomation is not machine specific any random position
toolchanger would need to get this handshaking working.

regards

Andrew

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:01 AM Stuart Stevenson <[email protected]> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Here is a machine of the same make and type as the one I had.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/45pwhcvfqr38dfd/Used-Enshu-VMC.jpg?dl=0
>
> It is somewhat different than your machine. My machine didn't have a
> bidirectional tool change matrix.
>
> Your machine looks like a larger edition of the Mori Seiki Jr.. I think
> Chris Radek used classic ladder on his. I would ask him if he used classic
> ladder and see if his files would work on your machine or give you a head
> start.
>
> thanks
> Stuart
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM andrew beck <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey andy and stuart
> >
> > Andy thanks for that logic.  you are right I can include it in classic
> > ladder or use the hal component.  last night I actually found this maths
> on
> > the centroid websight just doing google searchs for shortest path
> > toolchanger stuff.
> > https://www.centroidcnc.com/downloads/centroid_cnc10_PLCMAN.pdf  It
> looks
> > pretty much identical to what you code in the hal component does I think.
> > Anyway I got classic ladder going the shortest path in every circumstance
> > so far as I can see perfectly now.  I am a happy man  I need to go try it
> > on my machine now !  yeha
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > here is my machine I think this video shows the toolchanger pretty well.
> > It is basically what is on every side mount toolchanger on the HAAS
> mills.
> > it is a side mounted random pot tool changer and an has a
> > arm to exchange the tools between a pot and the spindle. just like your
> > type. they are pretty common I think.
> > my mill on youtube <https://youtu.be/2h5DRg7TA_k>
> >
> >
> > I would definitely be interested in seeing how you solved your problem as
> > your toolchanger sounds similar to mine.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:35 PM andy pugh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 09:04, andrew beck <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >  it works pretty good if the numbers are 4 and 5 but not if
> > > > they are 23 and 0  the magazine goes the long way round and takes
> ages.
> > > >
> > > > How would I use your Hal component with this  as you say all I want
> it
> > to
> > > > do it chose the correct direction for the shortest path..  I could
> > > probably
> > > > do it within classic ladder if I could work out the equations.
> > >
> > > The logic is here:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/hal/components/carousel.comp#L267
> > >
> > > You could copy that in CL or let the carousel comp do its thing.
> > >
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