Gene:  Send me your USPS address and I'll mail you a free glue stick
that's 99.44% coronavirus free.     :-)

Or buy a glue stick on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Elmers-Strength-Washable-1-4-Ounces-E590/dp/B008M56Z0O

Coronavirus not withstanding, it's seldom worth me making a 15 minute
trip to buy something like this when I can buy it online in a minute and
it's at my door a day or two later.  Can't wait for Amazon Prime drone
delivery in 20 minutes.

Use a nylon bristle brush to distribute the tiny bit of glue stick and
water on the glass plate, immediately before printing.  I think the
scrubbing of fresh glue and water results in a high surface energy
that's needed for a good bond.

The white glue experiments I tried resulted in something analogous to a
slick non-stick surface.  I was surprised by that.  It may have been the
result of the 110C bed temperature I was using for ABS.  I didn't try it
with PLA or TPU.  It failed with ABS and that's all I needed to know. 
The glue stick and water works very well for ABS, PLA and TPU.

I hope you enjoy glass & glue stick 3D printing as much as I do.  The
trick is to get good adhesion to a hot bed and good release from a cold
bed so there are no failed prints and no need to hack and pry the part
off the build plate that results in a loss of bed level that causes
subsequent prints to fail and possible damage to the printer... or at
least damage and degradation to a plastic build surface.  3D printing
requires some patience because it's slow, but it shouldn't require much
labor and the process should be repeatable and reliable.  That's
definitely an attainable goal, because I'm doing it.

Others have already done a lot of 3D printing process development.  It's
inefficient and frustrating to ignore the work of others and repeat the
painstaking development yourself.  At this point, most people buy a
cheap 3D printer from a known good source (Sainsmart should have been
good to go), watch a few YouTube videos, and have reasonable success out
of the starting gate.  It's been painful for me to see you struggling
with this.




On 8/2/20 4:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 02 August 2020 15:12:39 Bruce Layne wrote:
>
>> On 8/2/20 2:43 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> One the right in particular, there is no room for anything. About
>>> 1mm clearance between the plate and the upright carrying the PSU
>>> too.
>> It's usually possible to pinch the wire handle on a bulldog clip and
>> lift the compressed handle out of the spring steel clip once it's
>> installed for a minimal clearance clip, although the curved back on
>> the spring steel will probably protrude more than 1mm.
>>
>>> But now its slightly
>>> cloudy with dried white school glue & lots of water mixed, so we'll
>>> see how the adhesion works.
>> Based on my experience, the adhesion will be terrible.  I tested white
>> Elmer's Glue-All and white Elmer's washable school glue and both
>> provided terrible ABS adhesion on glass.  The only glue that's worked
>> well for me is glue stick.  As I've repeatedly mentioned in this
>> ongoing 3D printing discussion, I use Elmer's X-Treme glue stick.  The
>> thinnest possible application directly to glass (applied with a pound
>> or more of normal force to a cold glass plate, with a slow steady
>> motion) works well, but even better is a small smudge of glue on the
>> glass plate with a few grams of water, evenly distributed across the
>> glass plate to form a nearly invisible glue film when dried.
>>
> I have not "been to town" with a mask to get any of that. This was a 
> small bottle of craft glue a good 15 yo I add an inch of water to and 
> shook like a rattle gun paint can to get a wee bit of glue dissolved 
> into the water.  Mowing the grass, otherwise staying safe and out of 
> sight here at the house. The Elmers is probably at CVS. This looks like 
> heck but its sticking well after about 3 turns of the brim laydown.  The 
> initial clear the nozzle by running up and back on the left edge of the 
> plate also stuck to clean glass, very close to as well as it stuck to 
> the magnetic sign mat it came with. From that, I think clean glass is 
> all it needs. OOTB and plastic wrap, it acted like it was waxed & water 
> just pooled on it.  Like a freshly waxed car.  This part is only about 4 
> hours, its other mating half is about 8 or 9 cuz its taller and I need 3 
> of each yet.
>
> Thanks Bruce.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


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