Gene,

I did a search on the part number to gave and, they look really good but
cost $400 per axis vs about $60 for what I have.   Yes, they are much
better.    Did you find a better deal?

Question for the group:
Assuming that you need about 3NM holding torque, what will $400 get you if
you want to use a servo motor?   I'm thinking that these 3-phase closed
loop steppers are more comparable in performance and price to servos than
to cheap steppers.   Anyone have a link to a source of small-size Chinese
servos and matching drivers.

Next idea...
I looked up Gene's part and the motor/controler is sold as a set.  I can
see why.   But I see I can buy a 3-phase stepper motor for about $100.   So
we pay quite a lot for the driver and encoder.   I can buy a 1000 line
encoder for under $20 and close the loop with a $4 microcontroller and
three h-bridges.  I've done this many times using DC brushed gear motors.
 (My use case is robotics but it's identical to a multi-axis mill.)

On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 6:30 AM Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Saturday 01 May 2021 08:35:12 Thaddeus Waldner wrote:
>
> > So these are actual stepper motors and not 3-phase BLDC motors with
> > step/direction input?
>
> yes, and while I said a step loss will stop them it has to exist for an
> unspecified time frame. You can fasten them down, put a vice grip on the
> shaft and turn them 1/4 turn before they error, they will resist
> mightily and if you let go of the vice grips quick enough, they'll catch
> up to a zero error and just keep on trucking. I can, creeping along with
> my jog dials, run a carbide tipped tool into a stationary chuck jaw, and
> when its found itself jammed, it shuts down the output drivers and
> bounces about 10 thou clear of the chuck, all without damageing the chip
> in the tool.  The machine will obviously need re-homed as I have the
> volatile option set in the .ini file.  Thats a 25mm z screw, but my x
> screw is only an 8mm, so while its wired I've deferred to the size of
> the screw and the possibility of damaging it, and not tested it
> similarly with its shorter, 2NM rated motor. That screw today seems to
> be made of pure unobtainium, its half of one of a triplet I bought from
> Stuart St. about 15 or more years ago to cnc the smallest hf mill.
>
> > I always assumed that it’s the latter, with the difference being lost
> > in translation.
>
> So did I, but installing one, replacing a stepper that ran burn you hand
> hot, and finding it stone cold after half an hour powered up but the
> only move was homing the axis was quite the eye opener, the motors
> holding current is determined by the encoder error.  No error=not enough
> holding currant to make feelable heat. You think its shut down, until
> you try to turn it...
>
> [...]
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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