Anno domini 2021 Wed, 30 Jun 12:31:54 +0200
 Valerio Bellizzomi scripsit:
> On Wed, 2021-06-30 at 11:21 +0100, Les Newell wrote:
> > > And that's the key point Les.  There was no prior discussion.  As
> > > was 
> > > pointed out in another post, this CoC was created and implemented
> > > with 
> > > no input from the group at large. 
> > 
> > Um, I don't know if you noticed but we are having that discussion
> > right 
> > now. The CoC is not set in stone. It's just text that can be easily 
> > edited.  Jeff introduced it. At that point there should have been
> > some 
> > rational discussion and any corrections made as needed. Instead
> > there 
> > was a completely unwarranted explosion of vitriol and paranoia. Jeff
> > the 
> > dictator is impinging on our FREEDOM! The CoC boils down to 'be nice
> > and 
> > treat people with respect'. Really, you are upset because you don't
> > want 
> > to be nice and others to be respectful to you? Even if you are,
> > what's 
> > wrong with just asking for a change to the text instead of shouting 
> > about THE ESTABLISHMENT trying to CONTROL you. This are just a group
> > of 
> > like minded individuals, not some oppressive government.
> > 
> > Could Jeff have worded his announcement better? In hindsight yes but 
> > remember the only way anything gets done around here is if someone 
> > volunteers to do it. How many of the people here screaming about
> > their 
> > rights have actually bothered to contribute to maintenance of the
> > source 
> > code and the website? If you don't like something how about fixing
> > it, 
> > rather than getting upset?
> > 
> > Les
> 
> 
> This is talking! this is constructive discussion, thank you, I
> appreciate the good will to discuss and overcome prejudices, thinking
> that there is "the establishment trying to control you" sounds a good
> bit like conspiracy theory.
> 

Tell me what's constructive about that? Somebody (minority) want to implement 
CoC for everybody, everybody else (majority) don't care or fight it. Your 
"constructive" aproach is: force CoC anyway, how diminishing it might be, but 
force it on everyone. Later "we" can change CoC to fit our needs. 

And you are really surprised that this discussion is becomming a bit tense?

Nik



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