Hello. On 29.04.19 05:04, Simon Lees wrote: > Hi > > On 24/04/2019 17:47, Stefan Schmidt wrote: >> Hello >> >> On 22.04.19 04:32, Simon Lees wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 17/04/2019 22:45, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:19:35 -0400 Mike Blumenkrantz >>>> <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> We are currently in the 1.23 release cycle, and it seems agreed upon >>>>> that >>>>> we are planning to remove autotools prior to the 1.23 release. >>>>> Overall, the >>>>> meson build is in reasonable shape--there are some small issues on >>>>> our main >>>>> platforms (and larger ones for Windows)--and it should not be an >>>>> issue to >>>>> meet this goal. >>>> >>>> i thought meson was in better shape... >>>> >>>>> With this in mind, I would like to propose a freeze on the autotools >>>>> build >>>>> starting Friday. This means that we no longer modify the autotools >>>>> build in >>>>> any way in the master branch (excepting outstanding patches in phab), >>>>> and >>>>> instead focus entirely on ensuring the quality of the meson build >>>>> system. >>>> >>>> i think we should push this off a few more weeks/month or 2. >>>> >>>>> There is not much action which would need to be taken for this: >>>>> * stop patching build files >>>>> * disable CI jobs for autotools >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think this would help to streamline build system development and >>>>> reduce >>>>> overhead for this release. >>>> >>>> i agree on this - but the autofoo needs to still work and be up to >>>> date until >>>> the point where meson is equivalent - the windows work is one ware it >>>> needs to >>>> catch up on for sure as well as some other niggles. get all of these >>>> up to >>>> snuff and... yup. drop autotools. >>>> >>> >>> Meson also doesn't work on some of the longer term distros that only >>> ship Meson 0.46 (while e does), at least from the last time I tried it. >> >> When you say some you mean only OpenSuSe or also other longer term >> distros? I am not the biggest fan either of having to use newish >> releases of build tools but meson develops more rapidly and we actually >> did fixes on meson itself to build efl ( as well as gaining the needed >> performance). >> >> We also need to see this in some context. Meson 0.46 was released on >> 23.04.2018, which makes it a full year old by now. There actually is a >> 0.50 release now. We are not just using the latest of meson here, we use >> what we need to have efl building sanely for us. >> > > At the same time, Debian, Ubuntu and openSUSE are all running Stable > releases that extend out to 2 years, when you consider that these also > generally have feature freezes for sometime before seeing a 2.5 year old > version of a build tool or other core OS components towards the end of > there lifecycle should not be surprising. Its obviously been less of an > issue with autotools / gcc / cmake as these projects are more mature and > are intoducing fewer really useful things.
For me it is perfectly fine if they do a feature freeze and don't want to update their build tooling. In that case this stable and feature frozen version could have efl 1.22.x but not above. We talk about a scenario here where the distro is stable and version are pinned to keep it that way. Yet we should go make sure a not even released efl version from the future will work on it. These things do not mix well. If a user decides for a stable version now he should be fine with running efl 1.22.x until the next stable version of his distro comes out. >> If I look around at other long term distro releases I can see this: >> - Debian stable has a recent backport >> - Ubuntu 18.04 (LTS) does ship 0.45.1 and I can't find a backport -> >> problem >> - Fedora has 0.47.2 back to fedora 28 and Fedora EPAL 7 >> - OpenSuse Leap 15.0 actually offers 0.46.0 while Leap 42.3 is still on >> 0.40.1 >> >> To mean that means I would like to know if you consider Leap 42.3 an >> important target for an upcoming EFL release (does it actually have all >> the other deps fr such a new release?). Also we need to find out if >> there are backports of meson >= 0.46 for Ubuntu 18.04 which I have not >> found. >> >> regards >> Stefan Schmidt >> > > I don't consider 42.3 important, its close to end of life, soon we will > have 15.1 as well. But for us 0.46.0 will be what we have for the 15.X > series, i'm guessing there will be atleast another 2 releases. 2 other releases of what? Meson? EFL? OpenSuSe? regards Stefan Schmidt _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
