On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 09:17 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:04:53 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:51 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:35:39 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> > > >
> > > >> > I wouldn't say lua isn't widespread, it's used in quite a few
> things
> > > >> > including interface customization in World of Warcraft where it
> provides
> > > >> > the power to do some pretty advanced user interfaces.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, it's not a small niche as Embryo, but know many people
> customizes
> > > >> WoW? I know other games uses it as well, but now you compare all of
> > > >> them together with number of web developers out there, it's so small
> > > >> you can't even have a comparison.
> > > >
> > > > dude! lua is a brazilian invention! aren't you guys patriotic enough
> to back
> > > > your own language! :) hehheheheheheh
> > >
> > > :-P and if you want more arguments, Brazilian Digital TV standard uses
> > > Lua for one of the interactive standard (lua + xml, the other being
> > > java).
> > >
> > >
> > > > seriously - look at where lua is ised - WoW, adobe photoshop
> (lightroom),
> > > > sim city 4, crysis, farcry, homeworld 2...
> > >
> > > some years ago it was very hard to find a small and lean js
> implementation.
> > >
> > >
> > > > i think actually its heavy use in the game world says something about
> lua to
> > > > me. the game authors are much more concerned about speed and
> efficiency than
> > > > your average "web designer". sure - js may be a bit more accessible,
> but ...
> > > > let's be realistic.. this is efl - e. they have had to learn edc and
> get to
> > > > grips with a whole new api within a language... they are definitely
> the
> > > > people willing to learn a little more.. :)
> > >
> > > but maybe it's not up to them to decide? Maybe it was imposed by the
> > > tech guys somehow (like at INdT, ProFUSION...), so they have to learn
> > > EDC and {embryo,lua}.
> > >
> > >
> > > > but as such - lua seems to be perfect. it's a small library, well
> supported,
> > > > license is good, it's targetted at generally being embedded and
> sandboxed
> > > > heavily, and being small and fast. it's definitely got a lot of the
> > > > checkboxes filled... that's for sure.
> > >
> > > JS will fill most of them too.
> > >
> > >
> > > > personally i'd rather take the high road and take the best technical
> > > > solution over one for political/publicity image purposes.
> > >
> > > I think that both are at the same level, this is like optimizing the
> > > code that is not the hot path, if it's not the hot path, make it
> > > easier to read, to use, to understand... that's my point for JS.
> > >
> > > That said, I don't care too much if it's JS or Lua, for me it would be
> > > a minimally easier to use JS as I know the language, but I don't mind
> > > using Lua. But we need to evaluate other options to end with
> > > yet-another-embryo. Using JS will not impact badly, but can bring more
> > > marketing and good public image to E to use something that people
> > > know... as you were saying on the other threads, E needs more
> > > developers, needs better marketing and these things can help.
> >
> > ok - do we have a small stand-alone javascript engine library that comes
> with
> > minimal/almost no bindings of its own (ie so its just an execution engine
> - not
> > part of webkit etc. etc.) that is comparable to lua in speed/size etc.?
>
>
> Rhino is java based, so that's out. Then we have SpiderMonkey, which is
> currently used by gecko1.9. That's not as fast as webkit's engine. Then
> there's tamarin, which is practically future proof, with its support for
> ES4. However, it's not complete. I don't know of any other engines out
> there.
In my opinion and my experience using javascript and Lua, I strongly prefer
Lua.
I honestly think it is the best fit for this project. I personally use Lua
for some of my projects at work because it is efficient in both size/speed.
I use it to create GUI's for Server RAID setups making it easier to set them
up. The environment is LiveCD but stripped to include almost all RAID
controller drivers and a simple GUI. I am currently working on setting up
the environment using the EFL so if Lua became part of the project that
would make my day.
This is just my 2cents.
>
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