On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Lucas De Marchi
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Vincent Torri <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Lucas De Marchi
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Leandro Pereira <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 09/20/2012 03:28 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>>>>> ah, if only we could do changelogs sanely like every other changelog in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> entire universe...
>>>>
>>>> I honestly thought Edje was stable enough that it didn't have recent
>>>> changes -- and since ChangeLogs are traditionally written with newer
>>>> entries on top, I just added mine there.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be more careful next time. I'll still mutter something about
>>>> ChangeLogs being useless given we have commit messages (which can be as
>>>> long as needed to explain stuff, is easier to merge, is as good a cold
>>>> beer on a hot day, yadda yadda yadda), though.
>>>
>>> +1 to drop ChangeLog entirely.
>>
>> Here is the difference between you and me:
>>
>> you claim that YOU don't need a changelog because there are svn
>
> I and all the others responding to this thread.
>
>> commits, so every people on earth just have to install svn or look at
>> a slow websvn to see the changes, even those which are just "oupsie!"
>> etc...
>
> Why the hell the user is looking to the changelog file? He shouldn't be.

you're wrong, i have examples... Not only me.

> It's not just me.  There are plenty of successful projects out there
> that abandoned the stupid idea of maintaining a text file that is a
> copy of what we have in our VCS. And if it isn't a copy, you are
> requiring every single programmer to take his time to write plain
> useless information there that nobody will read.
>
>>
>> me, who think  that an average user of a lib should not need to
>> install svn (or git or etc...) or use a slow websvn to look quickly at
>> a changelog file. And I say that because it was in that very
>> situation.
>
> Give the NEWS file to the user. Seriously, in what earth are you living on?
>
>>
>> You think only about yourself, i thnk about everyone.
>
> YOU think only about yourself. I have the very same reasoning other
> developers have, based on projects that abandoned the idea of a
> ChangeLog. Just write well formatted commits

haaaa, here is the core of the problem. Just look at our logs, there a
huge of stupid comments for commits

How much time will it take to force people to write good commits
comments ? Look at the time it take to force people to update
correctly doc and NEWS (i don't mention changelog as you don't care) ?
I had to send plethore of mails to remember people to do properly

Ok, now a guy commit something with a bad comment for the commit. What
will you do ? you will revert it and ask the guy to recommit it with a
proper comment ?

just silly

Vincent


- who needs that
> information are the ones that will have git/svn/etc installed.
>
>
>>
>> It takes time to write entries but i'm not lazy. I take that time, on
>> my very limited free time.
>
>
> It's just a waste of our time. Sorry, but you need to argue better to
> convince the world
>
>
> Lucas De Marchi
>
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