On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Maxime Villard <rusty...@gmx.fr> wrote: > Le 17/12/2012 01:10, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : >> the reasons are many but here are some: >> >> 1. devs are almost all on linux... so guess what? they support the os they >> work >> on. >> 2. frankly linux has much more momentum than the bsd's (excluding osx as you >> say) and that lead as i see is only increasing. >> 3. the only other really "relevant" platforms are probably osx and windows. >> both >> of these can be dealt with. yes i know about psl1ght and many other more >> niche >> users. evil is there to fill in gaps for windows. it can provide shm >> _open by opening a file on disk and mmaping it like it already does. if there >> is an ability to force a file in windows to never be flushed to disk unless >> memory pressure would force it to be swapped out to the pagefile - then this >> is >> effectively the same behaviour... except it survivies a reboot. for osx - if >> there is a tmpfs that lives in ram, an shm_open can be provided that >> redirects >> to there. i don't know if there is - no osx. >> 4. for decades linux users have been at the bad end of the stick with people >> simply saying "well be posix compliant! make your own drivers" we won't >> support >> you!"... the tables are turning. slowly - in bits and pieces. and most linux >> users/devs are of the mindset of "we had to support oursevles for years... >> and >> so we did. time you did the same". :) >> >> the issues on the most part can be solved. the problem is that for the vast >> number of the core devs.. it's not THEIR issue (with some exceptions - yes >> vincent... :) i know :)). ecore-extn was optionally compileable before >> because i >> know it uses shm_open and so i made it an option. it also brought in >> ecore-con >> and ecore-ipc. these options are going away now though, so the problem is no >> longer going to be avoided. cserve2 - similar story. we've had cserve for >> years >> now and no one uses it - it was optional. cserve2 will become mandatory >> because it NEEDS to be tested and exercised en-masse. without something like >> cserve2 - we will bloat out badly if people write actual efl APPS. cserve2 is >> there to help contain that bloat before it begins. people are already writing >> efl apps, so it solves and existing problem anyway. the issues just need >> solving. in both the eore-extn code and in cserve2, the shm_open/mmap stuff >> is >> encapsulated and easy to replace etc. - it just has not been because of the >> above. the devs all have systems that have shm_open... so its not a priority >> for us and your todo lists are forever full. example. there is a case with >> ecore-extn where u can easly get a lock deadlock if you use it in a certain >> way. reality is people do use it that way and that problem is by far more >> important to me than shm_open stuff. :) > > So, excepted me, nobody uses and feels concerned by BSD's ?
they don't care about other OSs. They work exclusively on linux and don't even try to think about other OSs. It implies that a port for another OS than linux has to implement very bad hacks and a ton of work, like i did for Windows, to try to *mimic* what is done with linux. Vincent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
