On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:38:51 -0600 Jeff Hoogland <jeffhoogl...@linux.com> said:
> No. You are just incorrect. > > > There is really only so much you can do with current E themes, and it's > why so may are slight mods of each other > > The reason why most of the themes are slight mods of each other is two fold: > > 1.) Elementary's theme engine is very powerful and allows more > customization than any other theme engine. Because of this creating new > themes is a great deal of work. > > this gets exasperated by > > 2.) There is very limited documentation on creating themes with Elementary. > > Users being able to copy+paste other users desktop layouts is not going to > change the fact that the default E theme draws a pile of flak every time it > is shared outside of the E community. Those copied layouts will still be > using the same themes as everything else. > > >They do not really allow for a fully creative approach to desktop theming. > > This is vague and non-specific. How does the most powerful themeing engine > for the Unix desktop not allow "a fully creative approach"? in these two above, you are right. edje is a double-edged sword. on one side it is very powerful. more powerful than css at least as best i know about css, but it is complex as a result. and yes - not a lot of docs. i think in the headlong rush of theme power we lost sight of usability. admittedly i alwasy expected edje to have tools and people to not write edc by hand. it was a temporary solution. one that stuck. enventor and eflete are in fact two good example of making better tools. at this point i would point people to go use them to reduce the complexity and work on edje. in the longer we have our vaporware project "bob" to try and solve things in the long term. not just themes but app+ui design too. > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > Maybe... or maybe you're just not thinking deeply enough about it. > > > > > > > It doesn't sound like you know what you are talking about. > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> If you want to grow your user base then there's no 'easier' way > > >> than to have E support distributable shell-theming (restricted profiles > > >> if you want). It's the best way to attract the attention of new and > > devoted > > >> users and designers... those that will evangelize E for its coolness. > > >> There is really only so much you can do with current E themes, and > > >> it's why so may are slight mods of each other... They do not really > > allow > > >> for a fully creative approach to desktop theming. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> I'd rather see more work on better/larger variety of E themes before we > > >>> work on a profile distributor. As is there are only two fully feature > > >>> complete E19 themes that are unique. Most of the rest are either > > >>> > > >> copy+paste > > >> > > >>> jobs of the two complete themes or they are missing a lot of things > > (such > > >>> as elm components). > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com> > > >>> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>>> Perhaps it's really more a reflection of people 'bored' with > > >>>> the same kind of 'standard' desktops they've been seeing > > >>>> for so many years now? > > >>>> As I've suggested before, a feature for E that would make it > > >>>> far more interesting is a 'shell-theming' capability that would be > > >>>> distributable - i.e. a module to allow people to make and distribute > > >>>> the look&feel of the desktop (things like the bg and arrangement > > >>>> of various gadgets on virtual desktops, etc). > > >>>> Along with some new, cool gadgets (or extensions of some > > >>>> current ones, like allowing for the main menu to hold other gadgets) > > >>>> this would be a very attractive selling feature for E distributions... > > >>>> Designers and normal users can make or download all sorts of > > >>>> nice 'shell-themes' just as they now do with ordinary E themes. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> As with every Bodhi release, the trolls really come out with regards > > to > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> the > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Enlightenment theme. Some real gems over here -> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >> > > http://www.webupd8.org/2015/02/bodhi-linux-300-available-for-download.html > > >> > > >>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Tom Hacohen < > > tom.haco...@samsung.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On 17/02/15 09:25, Jeff Hoogland wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> First Bodhi stable release featuring an Ubuntu 14.04 core and the > > E19 > > >>>>>>> destkop. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://www.bodhilinux.com/2015/02/17/bodhi-linux-3-0-0-release/ > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> I'm an Arch user myself, but I still love and appreciate your work. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Glad to have you back. :) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Tom. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server > > from Actuate! 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