On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:18:27 +0000 Tom Hacohen <t...@stosb.com> said: > >> Heya, >> >> I personally think it's a bad idea to rely on a proprietary tool for >> open source development, and from what I remember, I'm not the only >> one. >> This is partially why we self host git and not use Github et al. >> >> Long live IRC. >> >> https://xkcd.com/1782/ > > there are things slack does that irc doesn't - like work well with mobiles... > but it does have downsides. like invite-only, closed, ... > > ultimately we should solve this ourselves: > > let's consider building a great IRC client (like express - work on it), and > EXTEND irc.
I agree on this. Extend Express like Terminology extends what a terminal usually does. Vincent > yes. let's do what MIRC did. but let's do it a little less > annoyingly. we'd need to build some server infra to be able to upload data to > (images, videos, audio, text etc.) and much like imgur./pastebin (our own > screenshot thing for e and visible on http://www.enlightenment.org/ss ) ... > allow a client to upload some displayable/sharable media and then just stuff a > link into the channel. if you look at slack's irc gateway when you use a giphy > image all it does is spew out: > > <nick> giphy: http://gipy.com/8267fv78s6238dx > > all you need is for an irc client to handle such things implicitly and convert > such lines into an image box (and then download the image in the background > and > inline it once done)... > > this would be a major start to modernizing irc. whatever - we can argue about > what should be done by default (download blurred out thumbnail and only > download full sized image when clicked on - or just replace with a "download > me" button... let's not get into that). the point is that using other > messengers (slack, telegram, hangouts, whatsapp) people can do this and it > looks nice and is convenient. yes people can abuse it yet such apps grow in > popularity. so use an ancient irc client where you dont see this if you hate > it (just a text url), or we can have options... but don't let this be a reason > to NOT extend and improve. > > given a good irc client with such extensions we can get all of the benefits of > something like slack BUT stick to open IRC servers and channels without > fragmenting community. > > then there is the other problem. mobile. ultimately someone will need a mobile > friendly server with proper remote (delayed) wakeups that don't require the > phone to maintain wake locks... and then mobile clients. technically express > could be recycled for tizen... and perhaps android if efl got good android > support. similar story for ios... :) > >> -- >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> <barbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I'm doing an experiment with slack.com as IRC alternative. I'm no >> > expert in slack, first time I ever used, if you have more experience >> > let me know so I can add you as admin. >> > >> > The biggest annoyance at the time is sign up that requires an >> > invitation, I sent to some in this list, others can do based on >> > domains such as @samsung.com, @osg.samsung.com and so on... but they >> > do not allow comcast.net or gmail.com to auto-join. >> > >> > So if you want to join, let me know your email and I'll send the >> > invitation. >> > >> > I've added some interesting plugins as people were demanding >> > voice/video calls at some point, these 2 can be better than simply >> > keeping a google Hangouts open all the time (and night!): >> > >> > /appear edevelop >> > >> > creates an appear.in video/voice chat https://appear.in/edevelop >> > just click to join, no app or registration is required. Seems to have >> > a 8 person limit. >> > >> > /hangout >> > >> > creates a hangout invitation link and post to channel, people can >> > click to join. Marcel told it also has a limit on video users. >> > >> > Since we often need to remember people of stuff: >> > >> > /remind [@person or #channel] [what] [when] >> > /remind me to drink water at 3pm every day >> > /remind me on June 1st to wish Linda happy birthday >> > /remind #team-alpha to update the project status every Monday at 9am >> > /remind @jessica about the interview in 3 hours >> > /remind @peter tomorrow "Please review the office seating plan" >> > >> > or: >> > >> > /todo @okra fix ephoto! >> > /mytodo help vtorri with ecore-con on win32 >> > >> > >> > It can integrate with jenkins as well, but I don't have the permission >> > to do that in our jenkins. >> > >> > So far, the web-browser version is as usable as the app, at least on >> > Linux/Chrome, so no install is required. It looks quite nice and also >> > provides phone applications (iOS version is very good). I also liked >> > that it have built-in "pastebin", just click the "[+]" at the left >> > side of the message box to send one. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> > -------------------------------------- >> > Mobile: +55 (16) 99354-9890 >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > enlightenment-devel mailing list >> > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
