On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:32:07 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> said:

aha.. you did have old efl stuff.. i'm amazed nothing totally fell apart in a
stinking heap. try that:

export EINA_LOG_LEVELS=eina_module:4

and see.

> Ok, so I got really really mad and nuked all the E prefix  (which was
> /opt). I also discovered that there were some ancient old EFL libs laying
> around un /usr/local. In fact, so ancient that there were still ewl and etk
> stuff....I nuke all those dirs as well.
> 
> Then, I kept looking for that egl_dri2.so file, and i happens to be
> installed with libegl1-mesa package. But I'm using NV drivers (I nuke and
> reinstall them as well, before I did with EFL).
> 
> So, after deleting everything, reinstalling video drivers and recompiling
> all the EFL....I just like before and expedite keeps giving the same error
> 
> El 28 de febrero de 2012 21:53, Wido <wido...@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
> > I'm getting:
> >
> > expedite: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/egl/egl_dri2.so:
> > undefined symbol: _glapi_get_proc_address
> >
> > but that lib is there:
> >
> > $ ls -l /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/egl/egl_dri2.so
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28172 ago  7  2011
> > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/egl/egl_dri2.so
> >
> > so I think I messed my libs somehow xD
> >
> > El 28 de febrero de 2012 20:56, Carsten Haitzler
> > <ras...@rasterman.com>escribió:
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:56:39 -0600 Chris Story <kc5...@gmail.com> said:
> >>
> >> do you perhaps have multiple efl installs in different prefixes eg /usr
> >> and /usr/local or /usr/local and /opt/e or something? as such to get some
> >> cmdline fun try:
> >>
> >> export EVAS_GL_INFO=1
> >> expedite -e gl
> >>
> >> does that come up? if not - what does it complain about. if ti comes
> >> up... what
> >> does it report?
> >>
> >> > Raster --
> >> >
> >> >   I am also getting the message regarding software mode OpenGL and am
> >> using
> >> > the Nvidia proprietary drivers in Ubuntu 11.10. I am able to compile E
> >> > without issue from the svn and the gl_x11 module is compiled in evas. My
> >> > logs are below. SVN version is 68512.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > c0re
> >> >
> >> > Evas Logs:
> >> >
> >> >     Engines:
> >> >       Software Memory Buffer.....: yes
> >> >       Software X11...............: yes (Xlib: yes) (XCB: no)
> >> >       OpenGL X11.................: yes (Xlib: yes) (XCB: no) (GLES: no)
> >> > (SGX: no) (s3c6410: no)
> >> >
> >> > Ecore Logs:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >       Ecore_X (Xlib backend).......: yes
> >> >         Xcursor....................: yes
> >> >         Xkb........................: yes
> >> >         Xprint.....................: no
> >> >         Xinerama...................: yes
> >> >         Xrandr.....................: yes
> >> >         Xgesture...................: no
> >> >         Xscreensaver...............: no
> >> >         Xrender....................: yes
> >> >         Xcomposite.................: yes
> >> >         Xfixes.....................: yes
> >> >         Xdamage....................: yes
> >> >         Xdpms......................: yes
> >> >         Xtest......................: no
> >> >         XIM........................: yes
> >> >         Xi2........................: yes
> >> >       Ecore_Win32..................: no
> >> >       Ecore_Cocoa..................: no
> >> >       Ecore_SDL....................: no
> >> >       Ecore_FB.....................: yes
> >> >         Touchscreen................: no
> >> >       Ecore_DirectFB...............: no
> >> >       Ecore_WinCE..................: no
> >> >       Ecore_PSL1GHT................: no
> >> >       Ecore_Wayland................: no
> >> >
> >> >      Ecore Evas:
> >> >
> >> >       Ecore_Evas...................: yes
> >> >         Software Memory Buffer.....: yes
> >> >         Software X11...............: yes (Xlib=yes) (XCB=no)
> >> >         OpenGL X11.................: yes (Xlib=yes) (XCB=no)
> >> >         Software GDI...............: no
> >> >         Software DirectDraw........: no
> >> >         Direct3D...................: no
> >> >         OpenGL Glew................: no
> >> >         Software SDL...............: no
> >> >         OpenGL SDL.................: no
> >> >         OpenGL Cocoa...............: no
> >> >         DirectFB...................: no
> >> >         PSL1GHT....................: no
> >> >         Software Framebuffer.......: yes
> >> >         Software 8bit grayscale XCB: no
> >> >         Software 16bit X11.........: no
> >> >         Software 16bit DirectDraw..: no
> >> >         Software 16bit WinCE.......: no
> >> >         Sing.Proc. Windowing System: yes
> >> >             Wayland Shm................: no
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  glxinfo|grep OpenGL
> >> >
> >> >      OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> >> >      OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7300 GS/PCI/SSE2
> >> >      OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.30
> >> >      OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 NVIDIA via Cg compiler
> >> >      OpenGL extensions:
> >> >
> >> > Xorg.log:
> >> >
> >> >     [ 42195.119] (**) ModulePath set to
> >> > "/usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
> >> >     [ 42195.119] (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
> >> >     [ 42195.119] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd',
> >> > 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
> >> >     [ 42195.119] (WW) Disabling Mouse0
> >> >     [ 42195.119] (WW) Disabling Keyboard0
> >> >     [ 42195.119] (II) Loader magic: 0x7e0220
> >> >     [ 42195.119] (II) Module ABI versions:
> >> >     [ 42195.119]    X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
> >> >     [ 42195.119]    X.Org Video Driver: 10.0
> >> >     [ 42195.119]    X.Org XInput driver : 12.3
> >> >     [ 42195.119]    X.Org Server Extension : 5.0
> >> >     [ 42195.121] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:01df:0000:0000 rev 161, Mem @
> >> > 0xfa000000/16777216, 0xe0000000/268435456, 0xfb000000/16777216, BIOS @
> >> > 0x????????/131072
> >> >     [ 42195.121] (--) PCI: (0:3:0:0) 14f1:8852:0070:7911 rev 3, Mem @
> >> > 0xfda00000/2097152
> >> >     [ 42195.121] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
> >> >     [ 42195.121] (II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by
> >> default
> >> > and also specified in the config file.
> >> >     [ 42195.121] (II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by default
> >> and
> >> > also specified in the config file.
> >> >     [ 42195.121] (II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default
> >> and
> >> > also specified in the config file.
> >> >     [ 42195.121] (II) "record" will be loaded. This was enabled by
> >> default
> >> > and also specified in the config file.
> >> >     [ 42195.125] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
> >> >     [ 42195.125] (II) "dri2" will be loaded. This was enabled by default
> >> > and also specified in the config file.
> >> >     [ 42195.125] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
> >> >     [ 42195.125] (II) Loading
> >> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
> >> >     [ 42195.126] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> >> >     [ 42195.126]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.2.0
> >> >     [ 42195.126]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> >> >     [ 42195.126] (II) Loading extension DRI2
> >> >     [ 42195.126] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
> >> >     [ 42195.126] (II) Loading /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/libglx.so
> >> >     [ 42195.134] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
> >> >     [ 42195.134]    compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
> >> >     [ 42195.134]    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> >> >     [ 42195.134] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  173.14.30  Sat Apr 16 22:45:09
> >> PDT
> >> > 2011
> >> >     [ 42195.134] (II) Loading extension GLX
> >> >     [ 42195.134] (II) LoadModule: "record"
> >> >     [ 42195.134] (II) Loading
> >> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.13.0
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension RECORD
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading
> >> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension DPMS
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XVideo
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> >> >     [ 42195.135]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
> >> >     [ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> >> >     [ 42195.136]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> >> >     [ 42195.136]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (II) Loading
> >> /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/nvidia_drv.so
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
> >> >     [ 42195.136]    compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
> >> >     [ 42195.136]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  173.14.30  Sat Apr 16
> >> > 22:18:29 PDT 2011
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA
> >> GPUs
> >> >     [ 42195.136] (--) using VT number 8
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> >> >     [ 42195.145]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> >> >     [ 42195.145]    ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "wfb"
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "wfb"
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Module wfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> >> >     [ 42195.145]    compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
> >> >     [ 42195.145]    ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Loading
> >> /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/nvidia_drv.so
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so
> >> >     [ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
> >> >     [ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
> >> >     [ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
> >> >     [ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
> >> >     [ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
> >> >     [ 42195.146] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
> >> >     [ 42195.146] (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and
> >> > Composite X extensions is
> >> >     [ 42195.146] (II) NVIDIA(0):     enabled.
> >> >     [ 42195.792] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 7300 GS (G72) at
> >> > PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
> >> >     [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
> >> >     [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.72.22.43.01
> >> >     [ 42195.792] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X
> >> >     [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on
> >> > this GPU
> >> >     [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce
> >> > 7300 GS at PCI:1:0:0:
> >> >     [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0):     ViewSonic VA902b (CRT-0)
> >> >     [ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): ViewSonic VA902b (CRT-0): 400.0 MHz
> >> > maximum pixel clock
> >> >     [ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0
> >> >     [ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0):
> >> >     [ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default
> >> mode
> >> > "nvidia-auto-select"
> >> >     [ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0):     will be used as the requested mode.
> >> >     [ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0):
> >> >     [ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
> >> >     [ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0):     "nvidia-auto-select"
> >> >     [ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be
> >> 1280
> >> > x 1024
> >> >     [ 42195.794] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (85, 86); computed from
> >> > "UseEdidDpi" X config
> >> >     [ 42195.794] (--) NVIDIA(0):     option
> >> >     [ 42195.795] (==) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 32-bit ARGB GLX visuals.
> >> >     [ 42195.795] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
> >> >     [ 42195.797] (II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GPU GART.
> >> >     [ 42195.800] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select"
> >> >     [ 42195.884] (II) Loading extension NV-GLX
> >> >     [ 42195.901] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture
> >> > Initialized
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration
> >> > architecture
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (==) RandR enabled
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (==) RandR enabled
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event
> >> > Extension
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
> >> >     [ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension GESTURE
> >> >     [ 42195.919] (II) Initializing extension GLX
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:49:42 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> said:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Honestly, I can't remember =S. And can't finde the logs either =S =S
> >> > > >
> >> > > > However, I always compile evas with this flags: "
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --enable-word-cache --enable-pipe-render --enable-pthreads
> >> > > > --enable-metric-cache --enable-gles-variety-sgx", so I suppose it
> >> has.
> >> > > For
> >> > > > ecore-evas, I'm not so sure, so just to be really really sure, I
> >> will
> >> > > > recompile them and let you know how it goes
> >> > >
> >> > > well configure spews out all the settings evas/ecore compile with at
> >> > > configure
> >> > > time.
> >> > >
> >> > > > BTW, Is there a way to know if it has?
> >> > >
> >> > > there is a gl_x11 module for evas - another file in
> >> > > PREFIX/lib/evas/modules/engines/
> >> > >
> >> > > and it has to be named the right architecture like other moduels and
> >> be
> >> > > versioned correctly (all moduels get versioned along with the evas
> >> version
> >> > > so
> >> > > it has to match).
> >> > >
> >> > > > El 28 de febrero de 2012 02:12, Carsten Haitzler
> >> > > > <ras...@rasterman.com>escribió:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:11:34 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> said:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > did evas and ecore-evas build with evas gl engine support?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > I have a GeForce 9800GT, using latest NVidia drivers (OpenGL
> >> version
> >> > > > > > string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.20), recent EFL (Revision: 68223),
> >> recent SO
> >> > > > > libs
> >> > > > > > (debian wheezy, almost up-to-date), and still get that annoying
> >> > > message
> >> > > > > > "Your screen does not support OpenGL.  Falling back to software
> >> > > engine"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > can't figure out what I'm doing wrong =(
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > More specs:
> >> > > > > > server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> >> > > > > > client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> >> > > > > > GLX version: 1.4
> >> > > > > > OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> >> > > > > > OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9800 GT/PCIe/SSE2/3DNOW!
> >> > > > > > OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.20
> >> > > > > > OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg
> >> compiler
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > 'magic' Raster's options are enabled:
> >> > > > > >        Option          "TripleBuffer"                  "True"
> >> > > > > >        Option          "Coolbits"                      "7"
> >> > > > > >        Option          "UseEvents"                     "True"
> >> > > > > >        Option          "OnDemandVBlankInterrupts"      "True"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Two monitors, one at 2048x1152, the other 1680x1050. Virtual
> >> screen
> >> > > size
> >> > > > > > determined to be 3728 x 1152
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Overall performance looks ok. But I do notice a downgrade in
> >> > > performance
> >> > > > > > when comp is enabled and youtube strams a video at 720P. Also
> >> notice
> >> > > > > > downgrade in performance when some windows are opened (chrome +
> >> > > couple of
> >> > > > > > konsoles) and I switch virtual desktop
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > El 26 de febrero de 2012 03:36, Carsten Haitzler
> >> > > > > > <ras...@rasterman.com>escribió:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:39:04 +1000 David Seikel <
> >> onef...@gmail.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > said:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:33:09 +0000 Mick <
> >> > > michaelkintz...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > On Friday 24 Feb 2012 10:28:22 you wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:05:25 +0000 Mick <
> >> > > > > michaelkintz...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > > said:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday 24 Feb 2012 01:05:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:57:58 +0000 Mick
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > <michaelkintz...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > said:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday 24 Feb 2012 00:21:00 Carsten Haitzler
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you just need xproto + xlibs.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just remember that compositing will be broken
> >> for
> >> > > you due
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to your server being old anyway, but e/efl will
> >> > > compile
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > run but compositing may fail (and we will be
> >> moving
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > compositing only in future).
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oops!  Won't we have an option to switch it off
> >> if we
> >> > > want
> >> > > > > to?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > in future - no. for e17 release it'll stay a
> >> module, but
> >> > > > > after
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > that it'll be compositing only. get used to it - i
> >> > > suggest u
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > use it and report bugs/issues. :)
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Well, I can't say it is bug(s) but it is a matter of
> >> > > overall
> >> > > > > > > > > > > responsiveness and resources used, especially on older
> >> > > systems.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Composite uses (slightly) more CPU and memory on my
> >> amd64
> >> > > box
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > more so on an old x86 with a PIII on it.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > the lowest-end machine i've use it on is a
> >> pentium-m@600mhz-
> >> > > > > > > > > > it works very well there. sure - not silky smooth but
> >> very
> >> > > usable...
> >> > > > > > > > > > considering its copying mountains of data around and
> >> > > rendering
> >> > > > > > > > > > everything with the cpu (clients included) it's pretty
> >> > > amazing.
> >> > > > > :)
> >> > > > > > > > > > seriously... software compositing is working (decently)
> >> on
> >> > > > > > > > > > PHONES... yes - its a price to pay - software
> >> compositing
> >> > > adds an
> >> > > > > > > > > > extra copy from x to local data first before drawing
> >> and then
> >> > > > > > > > > > writing it back to x - so it adds extra overhead.
> >> theres no
> >> > > zero
> >> > > > > > > > > > copy path like gl + texture-from-pixmap.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Plus when say I watch something in mplayer and I move
> >> > > focus to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > another window, then the mplayer window becomes
> >> > > transparent and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > the picture fades. Since the cursor does not
> >> automatically
> >> > > > > follow
> >> > > > > > > > > > > my eyes I just switch composite off.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > you can select what style u want with compositing - its
> >> > > there in
> >> > > > > > > > > > the comp gui to select. you can have the fading
> >> disabled -
> >> > > > > wobbles
> >> > > > > > > > > > too etc.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Hmmm ... my PIII comes up with this compositor warning:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > "Your screen does not support OpenGL.  Falling back to
> >> software
> >> > > > > > > > > engine"
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > It seems it doesn't like the Radeon Mobility M6 LY that
> >> this
> >> > > old
> >> > > > > > > > > laptop is running.  I don't recall having this problem
> >> before.
> >> > >  I
> >> > > > > > > > > should try a later snapshot to see if it persists.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > I can see in top enlightenment runs between 3.4 - 5% of
> >> the CPU
> >> > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > > bursts up to 35.9 - 54% when I move between windows (a
> >> couple
> >> > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > aterms and a xterm).
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Without composite enlightenment shows between 0.5 - 2.5%
> >> of
> >> > > the CPU
> >> > > > > > > > > with bursts up to 7.9% when I move between windows.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > So, yes it is usable, but if I am doing something heavy
> >> on this
> >> > > > > > > > > little box like compiling, compressing files, etc, then it
> >> > > slows
> >> > > > > down
> >> > > > > > > > > noticeably and this is why I would rather give up
> >> compositing
> >> > > > > effects
> >> > > > > > > > > for functionality.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Are there some settings in the composite configuration,
> >> which
> >> > > will
> >> > > > > > > > > minimise the load?
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I'm seeing 30 to 50% of one core being used with the
> >> composite
> >> > > module
> >> > > > > > > > turned on, even worse in software mode, and that was with it
> >> > > sitting
> >> > > > > > > > idle.  It did indeed interfere with my 3D app, it
> >> stuttered.  I
> >> > > > > jiggled
> >> > > > > > > > the settings somewhat, but did not get much better than
> >> that.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 840 Processor
> >> > > > > > > > Memory: 3961 MB
> >> > > > > > > > Graphics Card: GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2
> >> > > > > > > > OpenGL Version: 3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.24
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Unloaded the module again.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > wait a sec.. your nvidia drivers are ANCIENT... like from when
> >> > > > > dinosaurs
> >> > > > > > > roamed the earth! get an update man! i can have compositing
> >> on this
> >> > > > > GTS450
> >> > > > > > > (nvidia) without hassles - yes its more powerful than yours,
> >> but
> >> > > this
> >> > > > > > > really
> >> > > > > > > only matters to complex shaders and really nasty geometry. as
> >> such
> >> > > i
> >> > > > > have
> >> > > > > > > run
> >> > > > > > > and recorded a whole bevy of tests with the unigine heaven
> >> > > benchmark
> >> > > > > > > (modern
> >> > > > > > > game engine that supports linux along with other platforms).
> >> i can
> >> > > > > enable
> >> > > > > > > or
> >> > > > > > > disable tessellation and tessellation HURTS per - but thats
> >> > > irrelevant
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > compositing other than showing that a very complex gl using
> >> game
> >> > > can
> >> > > > > work
> >> > > > > > > without issues with compositing on. as such performance isnt
> >> great
> >> > > > > until i
> >> > > > > > > tune
> >> > > > > > > down quality to absolute lowest levels. also remember i have 2
> >> > > screens
> >> > > > > > > (3520x1120). results:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > | test     | comp on | comp off |
> >> > > > > > > | tess on  | 43.6    | 45.5     |
> >> > > > > > > | tess off |  9.9    | 10.1     |
> >> > > > > > > | low qual |  7.6    |  7.6     |
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > videos here:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJfbKE8P1w
> >> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzhjgpt4BRQ
> >> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrLb3T0cLts
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7uFPoerbe4
> >> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM6B0MF-n1s
> >> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m37GTJKHiHo
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > no artifacts, no stuttering in compositing (well no more
> >> stuttering
> >> > > > > that in
> >> > > > > > > non-composited mode when framerates are low anyway). actual
> >> > > framerate
> >> > > > > cost
> >> > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > compositing .. in a window = 4% framerate drop for the fastest
> >> > > tests.
> >> > > > > 2%
> >> > > > > > > for
> >> > > > > > > the more "intense" tests and fore the most intense.. no drop
> >> at
> >> > > all.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > of course if i ran this fullscreen (ie window fills the
> >> entire root
> >> > > > > > > window) e17
> >> > > > > > > turns compositing off (unless you go disable that feature)
> >> and so
> >> > > its
> >> > > > > not
> >> > > > > > > even
> >> > > > > > > standing in the way of the app and the screen it draws to, so
> >> its
> >> > > not
> >> > > > > very
> >> > > > > > > relevant to benchmark that as it boils down to a pass-through
> >> > > unless
> >> > > > > you
> >> > > > > > > have
> >> > > > > > > some really big driver bugs.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am"
> >> > > > > --------------
> >> > > > > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    ras...@rasterman.com
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
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