Raster --
I am also getting the message regarding software mode OpenGL and am using
the Nvidia proprietary drivers in Ubuntu 11.10. I am able to compile E
without issue from the svn and the gl_x11 module is compiled in evas. My
logs are below. SVN version is 68512.
Thanks,
c0re
Evas Logs:
Engines:
Software Memory Buffer.....: yes
Software X11...............: yes (Xlib: yes) (XCB: no)
OpenGL X11.................: yes (Xlib: yes) (XCB: no) (GLES: no)
(SGX: no) (s3c6410: no)
Ecore Logs:
Ecore_X (Xlib backend).......: yes
Xcursor....................: yes
Xkb........................: yes
Xprint.....................: no
Xinerama...................: yes
Xrandr.....................: yes
Xgesture...................: no
Xscreensaver...............: no
Xrender....................: yes
Xcomposite.................: yes
Xfixes.....................: yes
Xdamage....................: yes
Xdpms......................: yes
Xtest......................: no
XIM........................: yes
Xi2........................: yes
Ecore_Win32..................: no
Ecore_Cocoa..................: no
Ecore_SDL....................: no
Ecore_FB.....................: yes
Touchscreen................: no
Ecore_DirectFB...............: no
Ecore_WinCE..................: no
Ecore_PSL1GHT................: no
Ecore_Wayland................: no
Ecore Evas:
Ecore_Evas...................: yes
Software Memory Buffer.....: yes
Software X11...............: yes (Xlib=yes) (XCB=no)
OpenGL X11.................: yes (Xlib=yes) (XCB=no)
Software GDI...............: no
Software DirectDraw........: no
Direct3D...................: no
OpenGL Glew................: no
Software SDL...............: no
OpenGL SDL.................: no
OpenGL Cocoa...............: no
DirectFB...................: no
PSL1GHT....................: no
Software Framebuffer.......: yes
Software 8bit grayscale XCB: no
Software 16bit X11.........: no
Software 16bit DirectDraw..: no
Software 16bit WinCE.......: no
Sing.Proc. Windowing System: yes
Wayland Shm................: no
glxinfo|grep OpenGL
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7300 GS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.30
OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 NVIDIA via Cg compiler
OpenGL extensions:
Xorg.log:
[ 42195.119] (**) ModulePath set to
"/usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[ 42195.119] (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
[ 42195.119] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd',
'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
[ 42195.119] (WW) Disabling Mouse0
[ 42195.119] (WW) Disabling Keyboard0
[ 42195.119] (II) Loader magic: 0x7e0220
[ 42195.119] (II) Module ABI versions:
[ 42195.119] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[ 42195.119] X.Org Video Driver: 10.0
[ 42195.119] X.Org XInput driver : 12.3
[ 42195.119] X.Org Server Extension : 5.0
[ 42195.121] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:01df:0000:0000 rev 161, Mem @
0xfa000000/16777216, 0xe0000000/268435456, 0xfb000000/16777216, BIOS @
0x????????/131072
[ 42195.121] (--) PCI: (0:3:0:0) 14f1:8852:0070:7911 rev 3, Mem @
0xfda00000/2097152
[ 42195.121] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
[ 42195.121] (II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by default
and also specified in the config file.
[ 42195.121] (II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and
also specified in the config file.
[ 42195.121] (II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and
also specified in the config file.
[ 42195.121] (II) "record" will be loaded. This was enabled by default
and also specified in the config file.
[ 42195.125] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
[ 42195.125] (II) "dri2" will be loaded. This was enabled by default
and also specified in the config file.
[ 42195.125] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
[ 42195.125] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
[ 42195.126] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 42195.126] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.2.0
[ 42195.126] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
[ 42195.126] (II) Loading extension DRI2
[ 42195.126] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[ 42195.126] (II) Loading /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/libglx.so
[ 42195.134] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[ 42195.134] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[ 42195.134] Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[ 42195.134] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.30 Sat Apr 16 22:45:09 PDT
2011
[ 42195.134] (II) Loading extension GLX
[ 42195.134] (II) LoadModule: "record"
[ 42195.134] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
[ 42195.135] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 42195.135] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.13.0
[ 42195.135] Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[ 42195.135] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension RECORD
[ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
[ 42195.135] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 42195.135] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 42195.135] Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[ 42195.135] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension DPMS
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XVideo
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
[ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
[ 42195.135] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 42195.135] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 42195.135] Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[ 42195.135] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
[ 42195.135] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
[ 42195.135] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
[ 42195.136] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
[ 42195.136] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 42195.136] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 42195.136] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
[ 42195.136] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
[ 42195.136] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[ 42195.136] (II) Loading /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/nvidia_drv.so
[ 42195.136] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[ 42195.136] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[ 42195.136] Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[ 42195.136] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 173.14.30 Sat Apr 16
22:18:29 PDT 2011
[ 42195.136] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
[ 42195.136] (--) using VT number 8
[ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
[ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
[ 42195.145] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 42195.145] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 42195.145] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "wfb"
[ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "wfb"
[ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so
[ 42195.145] (II) Module wfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 42195.145] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 42195.145] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[ 42195.145] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
[ 42195.145] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
[ 42195.145] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
[ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/nvidia-173-updates/xorg/nvidia_drv.so
[ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so
[ 42195.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
[ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
[ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
[ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[ 42195.146] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
[ 42195.146] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
[ 42195.146] (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and
Composite X extensions is
[ 42195.146] (II) NVIDIA(0): enabled.
[ 42195.792] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 7300 GS (G72) at
PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
[ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
[ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.72.22.43.01
[ 42195.792] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X
[ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on
this GPU
[ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce
7300 GS at PCI:1:0:0:
[ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): ViewSonic VA902b (CRT-0)
[ 42195.792] (--) NVIDIA(0): ViewSonic VA902b (CRT-0): 400.0 MHz
maximum pixel clock
[ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0
[ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0):
[ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode
"nvidia-auto-select"
[ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0): will be used as the requested mode.
[ 42195.793] (==) NVIDIA(0):
[ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
[ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): "nvidia-auto-select"
[ 42195.793] (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280
x 1024
[ 42195.794] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (85, 86); computed from
"UseEdidDpi" X config
[ 42195.794] (--) NVIDIA(0): option
[ 42195.795] (==) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 32-bit ARGB GLX visuals.
[ 42195.795] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
[ 42195.797] (II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GPU GART.
[ 42195.800] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select"
[ 42195.884] (II) Loading extension NV-GLX
[ 42195.901] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture
Initialized
[ 42195.918] (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration
architecture
[ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled
[ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled
[ 42195.918] (==) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled
[ 42195.918] (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL
[ 42195.918] (==) RandR enabled
[ 42195.918] (==) RandR enabled
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event
Extension
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
[ 42195.918] (II) Initializing built-in extension GESTURE
[ 42195.919] (II) Initializing extension GLX
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:49:42 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> said:
>
> > Honestly, I can't remember =S. And can't finde the logs either =S =S
> >
> > However, I always compile evas with this flags: "
> >
> > --enable-word-cache --enable-pipe-render --enable-pthreads
> > --enable-metric-cache --enable-gles-variety-sgx", so I suppose it has.
> For
> > ecore-evas, I'm not so sure, so just to be really really sure, I will
> > recompile them and let you know how it goes
>
> well configure spews out all the settings evas/ecore compile with at
> configure
> time.
>
> > BTW, Is there a way to know if it has?
>
> there is a gl_x11 module for evas - another file in
> PREFIX/lib/evas/modules/engines/
>
> and it has to be named the right architecture like other moduels and be
> versioned correctly (all moduels get versioned along with the evas version
> so
> it has to match).
>
> > El 28 de febrero de 2012 02:12, Carsten Haitzler
> > <ras...@rasterman.com>escribió:
> >
> > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:11:34 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> said:
> > >
> > > did evas and ecore-evas build with evas gl engine support?
> > >
> > > > I have a GeForce 9800GT, using latest NVidia drivers (OpenGL version
> > > > string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.20), recent EFL (Revision: 68223), recent SO
> > > libs
> > > > (debian wheezy, almost up-to-date), and still get that annoying
> message
> > > > "Your screen does not support OpenGL. Falling back to software
> engine"
> > > >
> > > > can't figure out what I'm doing wrong =(
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > More specs:
> > > > server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> > > > client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> > > > GLX version: 1.4
> > > > OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
> > > > OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9800 GT/PCIe/SSE2/3DNOW!
> > > > OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.20
> > > > OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > 'magic' Raster's options are enabled:
> > > > Option "TripleBuffer" "True"
> > > > Option "Coolbits" "7"
> > > > Option "UseEvents" "True"
> > > > Option "OnDemandVBlankInterrupts" "True"
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Two monitors, one at 2048x1152, the other 1680x1050. Virtual screen
> size
> > > > determined to be 3728 x 1152
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Overall performance looks ok. But I do notice a downgrade in
> performance
> > > > when comp is enabled and youtube strams a video at 720P. Also notice
> > > > downgrade in performance when some windows are opened (chrome +
> couple of
> > > > konsoles) and I switch virtual desktop
> > > >
> > > > El 26 de febrero de 2012 03:36, Carsten Haitzler
> > > > <ras...@rasterman.com>escribió:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:39:04 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com
> >
> > > said:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:33:09 +0000 Mick <
> michaelkintz...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Friday 24 Feb 2012 10:28:22 you wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:05:25 +0000 Mick <
> > > michaelkintz...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > said:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday 24 Feb 2012 01:05:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:57:58 +0000 Mick
> > > > > > > > > > <michaelkintz...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > said:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday 24 Feb 2012 00:21:00 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > you just need xproto + xlibs.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > just remember that compositing will be broken for
> you due
> > > > > > > > > > > > to your server being old anyway, but e/efl will
> compile
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > run but compositing may fail (and we will be moving
> to
> > > > > > > > > > > > compositing only in future).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Oops! Won't we have an option to switch it off if we
> want
> > > to?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > in future - no. for e17 release it'll stay a module, but
> > > after
> > > > > > > > > > that it'll be compositing only. get used to it - i
> suggest u
> > > > > > > > > > use it and report bugs/issues. :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well, I can't say it is bug(s) but it is a matter of
> overall
> > > > > > > > > responsiveness and resources used, especially on older
> systems.
> > > > > > > > > Composite uses (slightly) more CPU and memory on my amd64
> box
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > more so on an old x86 with a PIII on it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the lowest-end machine i've use it on is a pentium-m@600mhz- it
> > > > > > > > works very well there. sure - not silky smooth but very
> usable...
> > > > > > > > considering its copying mountains of data around and
> rendering
> > > > > > > > everything with the cpu (clients included) it's pretty
> amazing.
> > > :)
> > > > > > > > seriously... software compositing is working (decently) on
> > > > > > > > PHONES... yes - its a price to pay - software compositing
> adds an
> > > > > > > > extra copy from x to local data first before drawing and then
> > > > > > > > writing it back to x - so it adds extra overhead. theres no
> zero
> > > > > > > > copy path like gl + texture-from-pixmap.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Plus when say I watch something in mplayer and I move
> focus to
> > > > > > > > > another window, then the mplayer window becomes
> transparent and
> > > > > > > > > the picture fades. Since the cursor does not automatically
> > > follow
> > > > > > > > > my eyes I just switch composite off.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you can select what style u want with compositing - its
> there in
> > > > > > > > the comp gui to select. you can have the fading disabled -
> > > wobbles
> > > > > > > > too etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hmmm ... my PIII comes up with this compositor warning:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Your screen does not support OpenGL. Falling back to software
> > > > > > > engine"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It seems it doesn't like the Radeon Mobility M6 LY that this
> old
> > > > > > > laptop is running. I don't recall having this problem before.
> I
> > > > > > > should try a later snapshot to see if it persists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can see in top enlightenment runs between 3.4 - 5% of the CPU
> > > with
> > > > > > > bursts up to 35.9 - 54% when I move between windows (a couple
> of
> > > > > > > aterms and a xterm).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Without composite enlightenment shows between 0.5 - 2.5% of
> the CPU
> > > > > > > with bursts up to 7.9% when I move between windows.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, yes it is usable, but if I am doing something heavy on this
> > > > > > > little box like compiling, compressing files, etc, then it
> slows
> > > down
> > > > > > > noticeably and this is why I would rather give up compositing
> > > effects
> > > > > > > for functionality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there some settings in the composite configuration, which
> will
> > > > > > > minimise the load?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm seeing 30 to 50% of one core being used with the composite
> module
> > > > > > turned on, even worse in software mode, and that was with it
> sitting
> > > > > > idle. It did indeed interfere with my 3D app, it stuttered. I
> > > jiggled
> > > > > > the settings somewhat, but did not get much better than that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 840 Processor
> > > > > > Memory: 3961 MB
> > > > > > Graphics Card: GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2
> > > > > > OpenGL Version: 3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.24
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unloaded the module again.
> > > > >
> > > > > wait a sec.. your nvidia drivers are ANCIENT... like from when
> > > dinosaurs
> > > > > roamed the earth! get an update man! i can have compositing on this
> > > GTS450
> > > > > (nvidia) without hassles - yes its more powerful than yours, but
> this
> > > > > really
> > > > > only matters to complex shaders and really nasty geometry. as such
> i
> > > have
> > > > > run
> > > > > and recorded a whole bevy of tests with the unigine heaven
> benchmark
> > > > > (modern
> > > > > game engine that supports linux along with other platforms). i can
> > > enable
> > > > > or
> > > > > disable tessellation and tessellation HURTS per - but thats
> irrelevant
> > > to
> > > > > compositing other than showing that a very complex gl using game
> can
> > > work
> > > > > without issues with compositing on. as such performance isnt great
> > > until i
> > > > > tune
> > > > > down quality to absolute lowest levels. also remember i have 2
> screens
> > > > > (3520x1120). results:
> > > > >
> > > > > | test | comp on | comp off |
> > > > > | tess on | 43.6 | 45.5 |
> > > > > | tess off | 9.9 | 10.1 |
> > > > > | low qual | 7.6 | 7.6 |
> > > > >
> > > > > videos here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJfbKE8P1w
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzhjgpt4BRQ
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrLb3T0cLts
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7uFPoerbe4
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM6B0MF-n1s
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m37GTJKHiHo
> > > > >
> > > > > no artifacts, no stuttering in compositing (well no more stuttering
> > > that in
> > > > > non-composited mode when framerates are low anyway). actual
> framerate
> > > cost
> > > > > of
> > > > > compositing .. in a window = 4% framerate drop for the fastest
> tests.
> > > 2%
> > > > > for
> > > > > the more "intense" tests and fore the most intense.. no drop at
> all.
> > > > >
> > > > > of course if i ran this fullscreen (ie window fills the entire root
> > > > > window) e17
> > > > > turns compositing off (unless you go disable that feature) and so
> its
> > > not
> > > > > even
> > > > > standing in the way of the app and the screen it draws to, so its
> not
> > > very
> > > > > relevant to benchmark that as it boils down to a pass-through
> unless
> > > you
> > > > > have
> > > > > some really big driver bugs.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am"
> > > --------------
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