On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:47:01 +0200 "hannes.janet...@gmail.com" <hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> said:
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:26:15 +0200 Francois <fan...@gmail.com> said: > > > >> > >> Jeremy Quandt <quand...@hotmail.com > >> <mailto:quand...@hotmail.com?Subject=Re:%20%20e17%20and%20eclipse%20-% > >> 20focus% > >> 20problem>> wrote: > >> > > >> > I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine, > >> > with the > >> > ppa > >> > https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I > >> > work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing > >> > problems. For > >> > java I have setup to use Sun's java > >> > (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). > >> > > >> > I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff > >> > launched > >> > on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in > >> > addition to the > >> > network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph > >> > running or > >> > compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus. > >> > > >> > I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting > >> > harder to > >> > accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but > >> > some of > >> > the symptoms I have are as follows: > >> > > >> > 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has > >> > changed it > >> > won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed > >> > even though > >> > the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for > >> > the file, > >> > which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my > >> > project to reopen the file. > >> > > >> > 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I > >> > have mapped > >> > to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so > >> > the "Find" > >> > button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the > >> > Find & > >> > Replace window is reselected. > >> > > >> > 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a > >> > thread > >> > (seems to ignore the click). > >> > > >> > On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a > >> > variable in > >> > the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the > >> > variable > >> > (like a full string). > >> > > >> > Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can > >> > get the > >> > issue to be reproducible. > >> > >> > >> For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I > >> switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem. The > >> point 1) above is really annoying for me. > >> > >> I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine, > >> with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM. > >> > >> I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I > >> will be glad to. > > > > i'm going to give something very non-positive here now. look for mentions of > > the word java in e17's src. and then look for the swear words right near it. > > here is the reality of things: > > > > java's awt is built to emulate a windows style focus and behavior world. > > having read some of its x11 layer code, it looks like it's written by some > > junior programmer with little to no idea about x11. it tries make a x11+wm > > world appear like the windows world. reality is that this is nigh > > impossible. and doing so to work across wm's needs high levewls of skill, > > knowledge, experience and needs care and effort. java has code (i've read > > it before) SPECIFICALLY to detect a range of window managers and work > > around them, do weird and wonderful things in each situation, and try all > > sorts of tricks to get things to happen that it wants. > > > > fact is that java doesn't respect icccm/netwm/x11 correctly and does hacks > > to get its "write once, run anywhere" to work. i gave up working around > > java a long time ago. i'm down to not really caring anymore as i've sunk > > 100's of hours of trying to find "bugs" in e only to find it's java being a > > "dick". i have little patience or time to bother anymore. > > > > patches (that don't totally screw e17's src) accepted. :) > > > > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59639 > > seems like a eclipse bug with focus-window-under-mouse, should work > when setting e's window focus to click-to-focus. I'm also currently > not in the mood to fix this. But maybe I'll look after it some day. invariably that's one of those bugs that assumes windows (or mac) click-to-focus as thats the "only way" there, unlike x11 where it varies a lot (yes i know that it is possible to modify this under windows to an extent - but almost no one does). :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
