You could start here Nom - http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_16-9-2013-12-23-46
The science is pretty hard. Somewhere, they have a big gun that fires projectiles to simulate actual comet impacts. On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 17:24:28 UTC+1, nominal9 wrote: > > Phenomenologist..... No.... not that.... anything but a phenomenologist... > seriously. > > Archytas, > can you give me some links or references to.... "High energy rock impacts > seem to create organics that we assume via blanks become life.".... any > articles or writings, etc.? it would interest me. > > How "accepted" is it as a theory?.... > > Anyway... I think I've show you (Archytas) my Epistemological break-down > before but if not.....and maybe Socratus will see better where I am coming > from. > > Idealism........................Realism > Conceptus / Res...........Conceptus / Res > subjective / subjective....objective /objective > > (Aristotle's "square of logical opposition" in middle) > > Nominalism...................Phenomenoloy > Conceptus / Res...........Conceptus / Res > subjective /objective.......objective / subjective > > anyway... a "phenomenologist" is the diametrical opposite to my own > "nominalist" position.... the "bane" to my "existence"....(as you probably > already know). HAR > > > > > On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:08:00 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> Written warning on the lateness no doubt Nom! Deep issues in quantum >> world notwithstanding on the individual as a possibility, E= MC2 appears >> right. High energy rock impacts seem to create organics that we assume via >> blanks become life. Given how naff jobs usually are, life could easily be >> an emergent property of matter than doesn't care. Methinks we assume too >> much assuming. Mention human consciousness again and you'll become a >> phenomenologist. >> >> On Monday, 2 June 2014 20:16:26 UTC+1, nominal9 wrote: >>> >>> I return to your post, Socratus (and Archytas) a bit late.... >>> >>> Here is my "problem".... and my "criticism".... As I read both of your >>> replies (Siocratus and Archytas) I get the "feeling", which is to say I >>> "infer" the "implication" from both of you that You both make the "leap" >>> and associate "life" with "energy". I ask both of you.... Do you have any >>> proven "factual" physical scientific knowledge that Life (as in human >>> intelligence and consciousness) is in and of itself.... ENERGY? >>> Or, is Human intelligence and consciousness... something else?... I >>> don't know. I don't have the answer.... but if Intelligence and >>> consciousness is "energy".... then it should be able to be captured ansd >>> "stored" in something like a "battery"... or a "hard drive"......I am not >>> a scientist... But I think that you two, who are (more scientist than I) >>> are basically just reasoning by "analogy or metaphor".... to "electricity" >>> or "computers".... etc. >>> >>> I'll go you both one better on Feynman 1987 quoted above..... >>> >>> If you ... "we"... "have no knowledge of what energy is".... I submit >>> that you.... "we".... know even less what "Life" ( intelligence and >>> self-consciousness ) is..... HAR >>> >>> I'm just saying.... do not jump to conclusions.... especially not on the >>> Energy = Life conclusion.... >>> >>> Essence... equals... Existence a "nominalist" like William of Ockham >>> would say.... The word "essence" is the "infinitive of the Latiin Verb >>> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/essence >>> rom French <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language> *essence >>> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/essence#French>*, from Latin >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language> *essentia >>> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/essentia#Latin>* (“the being or essence >>> of a thing”), from an artificial formation of *esse >>> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/esse>* (“to be”), to translate Ancient >>> Greek <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language> *οὐσία >>> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BF%E1%BD%90%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1#Ancient_Greek>* >>> >>> (ousía, “being”), from *ὤν >>> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BD%A4%CE%BD#Ancient_Greek>* (ṓn), >>> present participle of *εἰμί >>> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0%CE%BC%CE%AF#Ancient_Greek>* >>> (eimí, “I am, exist”). >>> >>> From there, it started taking on other "mreanings and uses >>> >>> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=essence >>> >>> es·sence >>> ˈesəns/ >>> *noun* >>> noun: *essence* >>> the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially >>> something abstract, that determines its character. >>> "conflict is the essence of drama" >>> synonyms:quintessence >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+quintessence&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCMQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> soul >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+soul&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCQQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> spirit >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+spirit&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCUQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> nature >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+nature&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCYQ_SowAA> >>> ; More >>> core >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+core&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCgQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> heart >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+heart&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCkQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> crux >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+crux&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCoQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> nucleus >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+nucleus&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCsQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> substance >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+substance&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCwQ_SowAA> >>> ; >>> principle >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+principle&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CC0Q_SowAA>, >>> >>> fundamental quality, sum and substance, warp and woof, reality >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+reality&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CC4Q_SowAA>, >>> >>> actuality >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+actuality&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CC8Q_SowAA> >>> ; >>> *informal*nitty-gritty >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+nitty-gritty&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDAQ_SowAA> >>> >>> "the very essence of economics" >>> >>> - Philosophy >>> a property or group of properties of something without which it >>> would not exist or be what it is. >>> plural noun: *essences* >>> - an extract or concentrate obtained from a particular plant or >>> other matter and used for flavoring or scent. >>> synonyms:extract >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+extract&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDEQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> concentrate >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+concentrate&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDIQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> distillate >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+distillate&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDMQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> elixir >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+elixir&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDQQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> decoction >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+decoction&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDUQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> juice >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+juice&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDYQ_SowAA>, >>> >>> tincture >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+tincture&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDcQ_SowAA> >>> ; >>> >>> BUT DON"T LET THE "WRITERS OF FICTIONS >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:10:47 PM UTC-4, socratus sadovnik wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:54:51 PM UTC+3, nominal9 wrote: >>>> I hope Socratus did not take offense at my derision of the term >>>> "Essence", . . . . >>>> . . . >>>> .....a rock (in and of itself) cannot "evolve" into a rabbit....can it? >>>> ================================================== >>>> >>>> Correct: "a rock (in and of itself) cannot "evolve" into a rabbit...." >>>> >>>> What is problem? >>>> >>>> Take man/ brain. >>>> >>>> Brain is not only matter (cells, nervous system . . . .) it is energy >>>> too. >>>> >>>> Without energy the brain/ man is dead. >>>> >>>> QED try to understand the interaction between matter and energy. >>>> >>>> Matter is "a rock, cells, atoms . . . . . . . . . " etc >>>> >>>> Energy is . . . . . .? >>>> >>>> *‘ It is important to realize that in physics today,* >>>> >>>> * we have no knowledge of what energy is.* >>>> >>>> * We do not have a picture that energy comes in little* >>>> >>>> * blobs of a definite amount. ‘ * >>>> >>>> * / Feynman. 1987 /* >>>> >>>> ==.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
