This is deep historic and energy (temperature) related 'one and the same 
particle' - free exchange between light and fermions in early big bang and 
modern two-photon experiments and theorising.  Is our labelling up to the 
mark?

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 14:33:28 UTC+1, sadovnik socratus wrote:
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> Quantum of light can be or electron or positron in different situations.
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> Quantum of light, electron, positron they are one and the same particle
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> *Subject:* Re: [epistemology 13302] Re: Can *Physics* be evolutionary 
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> I would guess we do something like wock to wabbit.  We have scale 
> simulators of comet collisions with earth that produce amino acids (or 
> precursors).  So 'rock' plus wads of energy give organics plus evolution 
> via various assimilation gives wabbit.  It would be awfully bothersome 
> going round labelling rocks as potential wabbits, so I guess Nom's crude 
> cut-throat survives.  Light can be made to produce matter (electron and 
> positron).  We don't know life without matter, but I guess it could be an 
> emergent property not needing religion.
> On Thursday, 29 May 2014 06:39:31 UTC+1, Awori wrote:
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> Being very simplistic, matter can be re-ordered, the rabbit dies (losses 
> life-force) and its flesh (matter ), converts to other forms of matter 
> (soil). But you can't physically reorder the  life-force ie ..turn rabbit 
> into whale. Begins to sound like religion! 
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> On May 29, 2014 2:10 AM, "socratus sadovnik" <isoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:54:51 PM UTC+3, nominal9 wrote:
> > I hope  Socratus did not take offense at my derision of the term 
> "Essence",  . . . .
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> >  .....a rock (in and of itself) cannot "evolve" into a rabbit....can it?
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> > Correct: "a rock  (in and of itself) cannot "evolve" into a rabbit...."
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> > What is problem?
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> > Take man/ brain.
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> > Brain is not only matter (cells, nervous system . . . .)  it is energy 
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> > Without energy the brain/ man is dead.
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> > QED try to understand the interaction between matter and energy.
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> > Matter is "a rock, cells, atoms . . . . .  . . .  . "       etc
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> > Energy is   . . . . . .?
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> > ‘ It is important to realize that in physics today,
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> >  we have no knowledge of what energy is.
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> >  We do not have a picture that energy comes in little
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> >  blobs of a definite amount. ‘
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> >            /  Feynman. 1987 /
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