Idealism........................Realism . . . . Dualism of particle, mind, world
From: epistemology@googlegroups.com [mailto:epistemology@googlegroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:24 PM To: epistemology@googlegroups.com Subject: [epistemology 13315] Re: Can *Physics* be evolutionary theory? Phenomenologist..... No.... not that.... anything but a phenomenologist... seriously. Archytas, can you give me some links or references to.... "High energy rock impacts seem to create organics that we assume via blanks become life.".... any articles or writings, etc.? it would interest me. How "accepted" is it as a theory?.... Anyway... I think I've show you (Archytas) my Epistemological break-down before but if not.....and maybe Socratus will see better where I am coming from. Idealism........................Realism Conceptus / Res...........Conceptus / Res subjective / subjective....objective /objective (Aristotle's "square of logical opposition" in middle) Nominalism...................Phenomenoloy Conceptus / Res...........Conceptus / Res subjective /objective.......objective / subjective anyway... a "phenomenologist" is the diametrical opposite to my own "nominalist" position.... the "bane" to my "existence"....(as you probably already know). HAR On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:08:00 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: Written warning on the lateness no doubt Nom! Deep issues in quantum world notwithstanding on the individual as a possibility, E= MC2 appears right. High energy rock impacts seem to create organics that we assume via blanks become life. Given how naff jobs usually are, life could easily be an emergent property of matter than doesn't care. Methinks we assume too much assuming. Mention human consciousness again and you'll become a phenomenologist. On Monday, 2 June 2014 20:16:26 UTC+1, nominal9 wrote: I return to your post, Socratus (and Archytas) a bit late.... Here is my "problem".... and my "criticism".... As I read both of your replies (Siocratus and Archytas) I get the "feeling", which is to say I "infer" the "implication" from both of you that You both make the "leap" and associate "life" with "energy". I ask both of you.... Do you have any proven "factual" physical scientific knowledge that Life (as in human intelligence and consciousness) is in and of itself.... ENERGY? Or, is Human intelligence and consciousness... something else?... I don't know. I don't have the answer.... but if Intelligence and consciousness is "energy".... then it should be able to be captured ansd "stored" in something like a "battery"... or a "hard drive"......I am not a scientist... But I think that you two, who are (more scientist than I) are basically just reasoning by "analogy or metaphor".... to "electricity" or "computers".... etc. I'll go you both one better on Feynman 1987 quoted above..... If you ... "we"... "have no knowledge of what energy is".... I submit that you.... "we".... know even less what "Life" ( intelligence and self-consciousness ) is..... HAR I'm just saying.... do not jump to conclusions.... especially not on the Energy = Life conclusion.... Essence... equals... Existence a "nominalist" like William of Ockham would say.... The word "essence" is the "infinitive of the Latiin Verb http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/essence rom French <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language> essence <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/essence#French> , from Latin <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language> essentia <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/essentia#Latin> (“the being or essence of a thing”), from an artificial formation of esse <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/esse> (“to be”), to translate Ancient Greek <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language> οὐσία <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BF%E1%BD%90%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1#Ancient_Greek> (ousía, “being”), from ὤν <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BD%A4%CE%BD#Ancient_Greek> (ṓn), present participle of εἰμί <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0%CE%BC%CE%AF#Ancient_Greek> (eimí, “I am, exist”). >From there, it started taking on other "mreanings and uses http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=essence es·sence ˈesəns/ noun noun: essence the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character. "conflict is the essence of drama" synonyms: quintessence <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+quintessence&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCMQ_SowAA> , soul <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+soul&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCQQ_SowAA> , spirit <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+spirit&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCUQ_SowAA> , nature <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+nature&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCYQ_SowAA> ; More core <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+core&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCgQ_SowAA> , heart <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+heart&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCkQ_SowAA> , crux <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+crux&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCoQ_SowAA> , nucleus <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+nucleus&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCsQ_SowAA> , substance <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+substance&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CCwQ_SowAA> ; principle <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+principle&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CC0Q_SowAA> , fundamental quality, sum and substance, warp and woof, reality <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+reality&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CC4Q_SowAA> , actuality <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+actuality&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CC8Q_SowAA> ; informalnitty-gritty <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+nitty-gritty&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDAQ_SowAA> "the very essence of economics" * Philosophy a property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is. plural noun: essences * an extract or concentrate obtained from a particular plant or other matter and used for flavoring or scent. synonyms: extract <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+extract&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDEQ_SowAA> , concentrate <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+concentrate&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDIQ_SowAA> , distillate <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+distillate&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDMQ_SowAA> , elixir <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+elixir&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDQQ_SowAA> , decoction <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+decoction&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDUQ_SowAA> , juice <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+juice&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDYQ_SowAA> , tincture <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=6HZ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=define+tincture&sa=X&ei=DsuMU6QR8uKwBLO8gOgJ&ved=0CDcQ_SowAA> ; BUT DON"T LET THE "WRITERS OF FICTIONS On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:10:47 PM UTC-4, socratus sadovnik wrote: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:54:51 PM UTC+3, nominal9 wrote: I hope Socratus did not take offense at my derision of the term "Essence", . . . . . . . .....a rock (in and of itself) cannot "evolve" into a rabbit....can it? ================================================== Correct: "a rock (in and of itself) cannot "evolve" into a rabbit...." What is problem? Take man/ brain. Brain is not only matter (cells, nervous system . . . .) it is energy too. Without energy the brain/ man is dead. QED try to understand the interaction between matter and energy. Matter is "a rock, cells, atoms . . . . . . . . . " etc Energy is . . . . . .? ‘ It is important to realize that in physics today, we have no knowledge of what energy is. We do not have a picture that energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount. ‘ / Feynman. 1987 / ==.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. 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