Peri, I didn't meant to direct anything toward anyone. I was just riffing on it.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Peri Hartman <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, you are correct. Believe me, asking first is always a good idea (if > you can). That wasn't my point. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Michael Ross > Sent: 04 December, 2013 10:16 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV owner charged w/ stealing $0.05 worth > ofjuice(video) > > If one is Buddhist the suggestion is that you do not want to take what is > not freely given, ever; and to give freely what you are able. In Islam, > Christianity, Judaism, and those that I missed, you have a similar, but > differently worded suggestion. > > In Buddhism one of the many reasons not to do this is to not to wind up > people who would get upset. You have to know that even though it is > insignificant, that doing so puts you in a category of people who do not > ask first. It also, reinforces that idea that not asking will always be > welcomed which will inevitably cause trouble in your heart and in the > world. Just the way it is. > > I was having a connector issue once and went to a nice looking church to > ask if I could plug in and recharge. This vehicle takes 1kW to charge > fully so I was asking for about $0.12 of power. The secretary could not > bring herself to let me do this without asking the pastor (on the phone for > a very long time). Partly, I think she did not believe that it would be > only $0.12. People cannot understand how little power it takes to go a > useful distance, and the automatic assumption is that it will be a lot. I > offered to write a check for $10. No go. I gave up and pedaled a few > miles (not insignificant due to the 200lb weight of the loaded EV). At a > driving range a young man let me plug in for an hour and we had a nice > conversation. While stopping to rest I discovered the connector issue and > proceeded apace. > > I am pretty sure afterwards that lady and maybe the pastor thought about or > discussed the story of the good Samaritan (an enemy of the Jews), the idea > of Christian charity, and just plain neighborliness; but in the moment she > couldn't get there. > > On another occasion I asked to plug in at a convenience store and was given > permission, but the owner, who was driving down the road outside, saw me, > called the counter girl with his cell phone and told her to cut me off. A > fair number of people are very tight with their money, believing it will > make them happy if they have more of it. > > So regardless of what we may think, or what the laws may say, it is just > better to ask first. > > BM > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Peri Hartman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Most jurisdictions have all kinds of laws that make common things > illegal. > > The laws are generally ignored by enforcement unless they are needed to > > cite an extreme violation. > > > > For example, loitering is often illegal. But unless someone is being > > obnoxious, it's rarely enforced. > > > > In this case, I think it's a waste of taxpayer money to cite this > > "stealing" of electricity. Probably, somewhere not too far away, > something > > much worse was happening at the same time. If it were to become a > problem, > > it's easy for the school to ask for enforcement. > > > > Peri Hartman > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of SLPinfo.org > > Sent: 04 December, 2013 7:14 AM > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV owner charged w/ stealing $0.05 worth of > > juice(video) > > > > Zeke, > > > > As true as that might be it doesn't change the fact that this guy took > > something that wasn't his and that he didn't have permission to take. > The > > size is irrelevant. I'm no angel but even I see it as wrong. > > > > Unfortunately this also just gives more ammunition to the anti-EV crowd. > > > > Peter > > On Dec 4, 2013 6:22 AM, "Zeke Yewdall" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Anyone who leaves the door open a minute too long and lets cold air in > > > while entering the school is probably guilty of costing the school > > > more....... > > > > > > Z > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 5:47 AM, brucedp5 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.11alive.com/news/article/314666/186/DeKalb-electric-car-owner-charged-with-stealing-5-cents-worth-of-juice > > > > Electric car owner charged with stealing 5 cents worth of juice > > > > by Doug Richards Dec 3, 2013 > > > > > > > > [video > > > > http://www.11alive.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2890461312001 > > > > ] > > > > > > > > CHAMBLEE, Ga. -- One Saturday in November, Kaveh Kamooneh drove his > > > Nissan > > > > Leaf to Chamblee Middle School, where his 11-year-old son took was > > > playing > > > > tennis. > > > > > > > > Kamooneh had taken the liberty of charging the electric car with an > > > > exterior > > > > outlet at the school. Within minutes of plugging in the car, he says > a > > > > Chamblee police officer appeared. > > > > > > > > "He said that he was going to charge me with theft by taking because > I > > > was > > > > taking power, electricity from the school," Kamooneh said. Kamooneh > > says > > > he > > > > had charged his car for twenty minutes, drawing about a nickel's > worth > > of > > > > juice. Don Francis of Clean Cities Atlanta, an electric vehicle > > advocacy > > > > group, says the estimate of five cents is accurate. > > > > > > > > "I'm not sure how much electricity he stole," said Chamblee police > > > Sergeant > > > > Ernesto Ford, but he added: It doesn't matter. "He broke the law. He > > > stole > > > > something that wasn't his." > > > > > > > > Sgt. Ford says the officer should have arrested Kamooneh on the spot. > > But > > > > he > > > > didn't. Instead, the officer filed a police report. Then eleven days > > > > passed, > > > > and two deputies showed up at his house in Decatur. "They arrested me > > > here > > > > at about eight o'clock at night," Kamooneh said. > > > > > > > > Ford said he sought the arrest warrant after determining that school > > > > officials hadn't given Kamooneh permission to plug in his car. Ford > > said > > > > Chamblee Police did so without asking school officials if they wanted > > to > > > > prosecute the alleged theft of electricity. A DeKalb Schools > spokesman > > > did > > > > not respond to a request for comment. > > > > > > > > Records show Kamooneh spent more than 15 hours in the DeKalb County > > jail > > > > for > > > > plugging his car into a school's electrical outlet. Kamooneh > > acknowledges > > > > he > > > > hadn't asked permission first. "When I got there, there was nobody > > there. > > > > It > > > > was a Saturday morning." > > > > > > > > "A theft is a theft," Sgt. Ford said. 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