Tom, I think that with the building code it is not possible what you describe. Besides, outdoor outlets need to be on GFCI and the exceptional low threshold for leakage in the USA causes them to trigger randomly at times. So, it would be quite irresponsible for the building manager to have a critical piece of equipment on a circuit that can turn itself off any time. Having an outdoor and publicly accessible outlet means that things do get plugged in there for whatever reason. If not for that reason, then bugs and rain and a host of other reasons can cause a ground fault and cause the circuit to go dead - not just an overload from an EV. Building code requires outdoor outlets on residences. There is a reason for that. As far as I know, it was not written at a time that EVs were considered, but it is to make plugging something in easier and safer.
I am not advocating for plugging in without asking permission, but I have been in the same situation of needing a charge at a time that nobody is present to ask, away from home. I *do* prefer to stay around in such a case, or at least leave a note on the car how to contact me in case someone has questions about it. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Hudson Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:49 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV owner charged w/ stealing $0.05 worth of juice (video) Agreed. Call me paranoid, but this is exactly the reason I printed up some "Permission to Charge" sheets I keep in the glove compartments of my EVs in case I ever need to plug in somewhere. I wouldn't plug in unless I got permission from the property owner, and then I'd have them just put their name on the form, which says "Vehicle has permission to plug in for charging" and the date. Just in case someone (like the police officer) shows up and thinks I'm doing something improper. This guy should never have plugged in without permission. Think about it -- he has no idea what that branch circuit can handle, or what else might be connected to it. What if a freezer or some critical piece of equipment is operating on the same circuit, and the extra load from the EV trips the breaker with nobody there to reset it? Just plain irresponsible. -Tom On 12/4/2013 12:19 PM, SLPinfo.org wrote: > Zeke, Lee, and Peri, > > I don't disagree. The amount of theft was a pittance, and yes the police > officer very likely had much more important things to do with his time! > And taking it to court makes absolutely no sense at all. > > But my point is that the magnitude of the crime does not take away from the > fact that it still was theft. I'm not a parent but we've all heard the > story of the kid who steals a candy from the store and his parents find out > about it. The parents make the kid go back to the store, admit to the > theft, apologize, and make restitution. The parents want to send the > message that stealing is stealing no matter how small the theft. Or am I > just too old and no one does this anymore? > > Again I don't want to sound holier than thou, but I think the police > officer was right in this case. > > And once again it just makes EV drivers look bad. > > - Peter Flipsen Jr > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Lee Hart <[email protected]> wrote: > >> SLPinfo.org wrote: >> >>> As true as that might be it doesn't change the fact that this guy took >>> something that wasn't his and that he didn't have permission to take. The >>> size is irrelevant. I'm no angel but even I see it as wrong. >>> >> No District Attorney in his right mind would take this to court. If he >> did, a judge is certain to throw the case out. And even if he didn't, >> what's the fine going to be? A nickel? >> >> There are a million "crimes" like this every minute of every day. Every >> one of us probably commit such "crimes" on occasion. Did you leave the >> light on in the public restroom? Take an extra napkin from McDonalds? >> Borrow a pen and forget to return it? They all needlessly cost the company >> money. >> >> I wonder if there is more to the story? Was the Leaf owner belligerent, or >> was there already "bad blood" between the Leaf owner and police officer? >> -- >> Ring the bells that still can ring >> Forget your perfect offering >> There is a crack in everything >> That's how the light gets in. >> -- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem" >> -- >> Lee Hart -- See my Xmas projects at www.sunrise-ev.com/projects.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >> group/NEDRA) >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20131204/a64a 94ee/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -- Thomas Hudson http://portev.org -- Electric Vehicles, Solar Power & More http://klanky.com -- Animation Projects _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
