Hi Tom, I can give you one reason, and it goes to the heart of Bruce's point.
The Zero electric motorcycle has a ChaDeMo 'fast' charge port as an option. It costs US$1800. I'm sure in time this will come down but that is a BIG chunk of money - if you are rarely or never going to really need it and you are trying to buy a lovely EV on a tight budget. That said, I absolutely agree that for EV newbies, those who have not yet learned that once you know your EV can do the trips you make every day without any drama - or running out of juice, having the ability to charge in 30 minutes flat is a real bonus. Assuming you have some ChaDeMo sites near where you live, it really does eliminate the range anxiety issue, or the perceived issue anyway. And that, I suspect, is what is stopping a lot more people investing in an EV. MW On 5 Jan 2014, at 18:18, Thos True wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > I agree with you that an L3 port should be offered as part of the economy > package. > Just curious, why are you suggesting making the EVSE 1 optional? I consider > the fact that there is one included in every Leaf a huge selling point. It > is what give newbies the extra confidence to take the car "closer to the > edge" (as my range conscious spouse says). It is also what new owners tend > to use (myself included) while waiting to get their EVSE 2 installed at > home. > > My thoughts, > -Tom > > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:54 AM, brucedp5 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> At this time, not all Leaf EV trims sold in the N. American market come >> with >> a L3 port as standard equipment. If we look at the Nissan page that shows a >> comparison between the trims >> http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/versions-specs/ >> >> The L3 port and the 6kW on-board charger are an option. IMO the buyer >> should >> get both as they are good for a resale value advantage, as well as useful >> when using public EVSE. >> >> >> IMO There are items that should have been kept with the lowest priced 'S >> trim' model, and some fluff/junk should have been made optional to keep the >> price down. On the S trim ... >> >> Need an option to buy a: >> - Cruise control (to save energy) >> - B-mode regenerative braking system (to save energy) >> >> Need to make optional: >> - L1 EVSE >> - Tire repair kit >> - SiriusXM Satellite Radio with 3-month trial subscription >> >> >> Thinking about this further, we should be really asking for the next >> logical >> step: >> >> -I also propose that Nissan should offer a bare-bones/low-cost trim (based >> off the S trim) that changes to have some items as standard, and others as >> optional. >> >> I'll call it the "E trim". E being more than Eco-long ranger, or Economy, >> but the 'E" is also good for competing with the coming Tesla model E. >> >> This "E trim" would come with the L3 port, Cruise control, and B-mode regen >> as standard, and it would make the L1 EVSE, tire kit, and XM radio (and any >> other unnecessary items) as optional. >> >> Since there are so many EVSE on the market right now, it does not make >> sense >> for Nissan to jam their expensive L1 EVSE ($1000) >> http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=5 >> onto the purchase price when it may not be wanted nor needed. >> >> If the driver wants a L1 EVSE, they can buy thier own, cheaper. See >> >> http://stores.homestead.com/clippercreekinc/-strse-7/pcs-dsh-15,-portable-level-1/detail.bok >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-EVC11-300-Evr-Green-Portable-Charger/dp/B004G6ZQYY >> >> >> This "E trim" would offer the buyer a long-trip-optimized/capable Leaf EV >> at >> the no-frills/bare-bones lowest price. >> >> Those drivers may rarely go on a long trip, but when they do, their Leaf >> trim E EV can do it efficiently. I can see this low-cost yet more >> long-trip-worthy Leaf EV "E trim" for more than just the public. I see it >> as >> a good choice for fleet purchases. >> >> There are many fleet purchases of Leaf EVs going on right now by cities and >> companies as fleet vehicles. So, now is the time to make this "E trim" >> available for fleet and individual sales. >> >> >> Comments/ideas/corrections on this are welcome. >> I ask EVangels take this idea to their Leaf or other forums, even as your >> own idea if you want (as long as the task gets done, I do not care who gets >> credit), to sound it out and get it across to the Nissan lurkers that are >> hopefully listening to driver's needs. >> >> >> {brucedp.150m.com} >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Wanted-A-Leaf-EV-E-trim-model-tp4667145.html >> Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > > -- > Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is > merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140105/997c807c/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
