Heh, you realize who deactivated it in the first place, right? I mean, you wouldn't have to "activate it" were it not for the fact that they turned it off in the first place. My argument is thus (and obviously) that they had no business disabling the car in the first place. It was not their car. I fail to understand how people can justify someone else disabling a car that they own.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> wrote: > This is laughable. Sure the car is yours to do anything you want with. > > But when you want to go ask Tesla to "activate it", then guess what, you > are ASKING for help from someone who has a very valid reason not to want to > take the risk to HELP you with YOUR salvage CAR which you OWN. > > If you want help from Tesla, either do what they want (to give you the > help while minimizing their risk) or shut-up and go sit in your car and > enjoy your OWNERSHIP as a yard ornament. > > Bob > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Collin Kidder via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Lawrence Harris via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org >> > >> wrote: >> >> > I am afraid I side with Tesla on this. As much as I like to be able to >> > tinker with 'my stuff' here we have a very complex system with many >> sensors >> > and actuators that are all controlled by the onboard computer systems. >> The >> > car has been repaired by (apparently) someone with no training on making >> > sure all these system, some of them safety systems, are working. Tesla >> > says let us take a look, if it's all ok we will reactive the car, if not >> > you have the choice of getting them fixed or abandoning the project. >> > >> > >> > >> I absolutely disagree. If you purchase something (and you do get a title >> when you buy a car) then it is yours. What you do with it is no longer the >> company's problem. You could disassemble it, turn it into a fish tank, >> build it into a transformer, whatever. Saying that the car is complex does >> not change the question of ownership. When you sell something you give up >> interest in the object you sold. It is gone; it is no longer yours. Now, >> it >> is perfectly acceptable to offer warranties and other incentives. These >> things do not dilute the ownership question but rather provide some route >> for extra support after the sale. In all the cases we're currently hearing >> about the people with the cars are NOT trying to assert any warranty >> claims >> at all. They just want to fix their own car. Let's say that some safety >> systems are not working. If that is the case the car should know about it. >> This is not 1950. Cars have complicated diagnostic systems as well as >> complicated safety systems. Some cars even tell you which light is burnt >> out so you don't have to guess when it happens. If Tesla did even a half >> assed job of making their cars then it'll know if any of the sensors or >> systems seem to be malfunctioning. At that point it can warn the owner of >> the vehicle that something still isn't right. Often you are allowed to >> drive anyway so long as the problem isn't too dire. There is no need for >> Tesla to inspect the vehicle's sensors and computer systems. They do that >> themselves. The more pertinent problem here is likely the frame of the >> car. >> If it is cracked in half nothing else in the car is likely to know about >> it >> until the car tears in two. So, I could see someone being nervous about >> that. That's why the DMV will want the car's structure and suspension to >> be >> inspected before it is licensed for on-the-road use. Tesla has nothing to >> do with that. No, all of this is just Tesla being overbearing control >> freaks. >> >> >> > >> > As an aside I had a similar talk with Mercedes when the onboard computer >> > in my car got fried (wiring issue - their fault out of warrantee and no >> > recall). I tried to get a replacement from the wreckers and was told >> > sorry, the computer is flashed to the VIN of the car and unless I >> replace >> > 'all' the various interlinked components including the keys it won't >> work - >> > only a new computer will work. Talking to my non dealer mechanic he >> said >> > many of the new cars are like this and there are system he can't easily >> > service. >> > >> > Lawrence Harris >> > >> > >> This is also stupid and many people want a law (right to repair) to fix >> this sort of issue. I'm sure that their stated reason for doing VIN >> locking >> is to prevent chop shops from parting out people's vehicles. That's still >> a >> stupid reason and really a lie. I seriously doubt that the OEM cares about >> chop shops. They care about control. Now we're seeing that Tesla is >> showing >> their true colors as well. I suppose it isn't really a surprise but many >> people had hoped that Elon Musk would be different. It turns out that >> Tesla >> is behaving pretty much like all the big auto makers. I guess they want to >> fit in? >> >> There is currently a war against ownership and I'm not terribly fond of >> it. >> Unfortunately, few people seem to care. They're content to almost kind of >> sort of own things that they bought and paid for. And, that's sad. The >> general complacently of the populous leads to all sorts of dark places. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141002/4d9e80f8/attachment.htm >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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