I was siding with Tesla until reading this response. That really
resonates with me but there's a catch. Does anyone know what agreement
you sign when you buy a Tesla? In particular, does it give Tesla the
right to disable the car after an accident at their discretion? If not,
I think Tesla may be have been in the wrong in this case.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Collin Kidder via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Robert Bruninga" <bruni...@usna.edu>
Cc: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: 02-Oct-14 6:42:01 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair
&drive! (video)
Heh, you realize who deactivated it in the first place, right? I mean,
you
wouldn't have to "activate it" were it not for the fact that they
turned it
off in the first place. My argument is thus (and obviously) that they
had
no business disabling the car in the first place. It was not their car.
I
fail to understand how people can justify someone else disabling a car
that
they own.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu>
wrote:
This is laughable. Sure the car is yours to do anything you want
with.
But when you want to go ask Tesla to "activate it", then guess what,
you
are ASKING for help from someone who has a very valid reason not to
want to
take the risk to HELP you with YOUR salvage CAR which you OWN.
If you want help from Tesla, either do what they want (to give you
the
help while minimizing their risk) or shut-up and go sit in your car
and
enjoy your OWNERSHIP as a yard ornament.
Bob
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Collin Kidder via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Lawrence Harris via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org
>
wrote:
> I am afraid I side with Tesla on this. As much as I like to be
able to
> tinker with 'my stuff' here we have a very complex system with
many
sensors
> and actuators that are all controlled by the onboard computer
systems.
The
> car has been repaired by (apparently) someone with no training on
making
> sure all these system, some of them safety systems, are working.
Tesla
> says let us take a look, if it's all ok we will reactive the car,
if not
> you have the choice of getting them fixed or abandoning the
project.
>
>
>
I absolutely disagree. If you purchase something (and you do get a
title
when you buy a car) then it is yours. What you do with it is no
longer the
company's problem. You could disassemble it, turn it into a fish
tank,
build it into a transformer, whatever. Saying that the car is
complex does
not change the question of ownership. When you sell something you
give up
interest in the object you sold. It is gone; it is no longer yours.
Now,
it
is perfectly acceptable to offer warranties and other incentives.
These
things do not dilute the ownership question but rather provide some
route
for extra support after the sale. In all the cases we're currently
hearing
about the people with the cars are NOT trying to assert any warranty
claims
at all. They just want to fix their own car. Let's say that some
safety
systems are not working. If that is the case the car should know
about it.
This is not 1950. Cars have complicated diagnostic systems as well
as
complicated safety systems. Some cars even tell you which light is
burnt
out so you don't have to guess when it happens. If Tesla did even a
half
assed job of making their cars then it'll know if any of the sensors
or
systems seem to be malfunctioning. At that point it can warn the
owner of
the vehicle that something still isn't right. Often you are allowed
to
drive anyway so long as the problem isn't too dire. There is no need
for
Tesla to inspect the vehicle's sensors and computer systems. They do
that
themselves. The more pertinent problem here is likely the frame of
the
car.
If it is cracked in half nothing else in the car is likely to know
about
it
until the car tears in two. So, I could see someone being nervous
about
that. That's why the DMV will want the car's structure and
suspension to
be
inspected before it is licensed for on-the-road use. Tesla has
nothing to
do with that. No, all of this is just Tesla being overbearing
control
freaks.
>
> As an aside I had a similar talk with Mercedes when the onboard
computer
> in my car got fried (wiring issue - their fault out of warrantee
and no
> recall). I tried to get a replacement from the wreckers and was
told
> sorry, the computer is flashed to the VIN of the car and unless I
replace
> 'all' the various interlinked components including the keys it
won't
work -
> only a new computer will work. Talking to my non dealer mechanic
he
said
> many of the new cars are like this and there are system he can't
easily
> service.
>
> Lawrence Harris
>
>
This is also stupid and many people want a law (right to repair) to
fix
this sort of issue. I'm sure that their stated reason for doing VIN
locking
is to prevent chop shops from parting out people's vehicles. That's
still
a
stupid reason and really a lie. I seriously doubt that the OEM cares
about
chop shops. They care about control. Now we're seeing that Tesla is
showing
their true colors as well. I suppose it isn't really a surprise but
many
people had hoped that Elon Musk would be different. It turns out
that
Tesla
is behaving pretty much like all the big auto makers. I guess they
want to
fit in?
There is currently a war against ownership and I'm not terribly fond
of
it.
Unfortunately, few people seem to care. They're content to almost
kind of
sort of own things that they bought and paid for. And, that's sad.
The
general complacently of the populous leads to all sorts of dark
places.
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