Thanks Peter, for the overview of what plugs the EVSE are supplied with. My issue is that you want to be able to plug the charger into a matching wall outlet and by my experience the 14-30 and 14-50 are the most common outlets so I do not understand why so many chargers have a 6-50 plug even though it is simple to cut it off and mount a 14-50 on the cord, it still does not make sense to expect people to install a 6-50 where they most likely already have a 14-50 and you encounter the 14-50 when you are out and about as RV outlet. Cor
> On Mar 7, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Peter C. Thompson via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > To add to this conversation, here are some commercial chargers: > > Clipper Creek LCS-20P - uses 14-30 plug. LCS-25P also uses 14-30. The HCS-40P > uses the 6-50. > GE EVWSWBC-CP01 uses the 6-50 plug. > AeroVironment EV station (7kw) uses the 6-40 plug. > Juicebox 40A uses the 14-50 plug. > AeroVironment Turbocord uses the 6-20. > Levitron EVB40-PST uses the 6-50. > Nissan Leaf charger uses 6-50R. > EV Power Pros 7kw uses 6-50. > > The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as the > current capacity is sufficient. > > So I think it depends on the amount of current you are going to pull. Lower > current seems to use the 14-30 and higher current uses the 6-50. > > Cheers, Peter > > P.S. sorry for the HTML earlier. > >> On 3/7/16 5:27 AM, dovepa via EV wrote: >> That is interesting because I purchased a Siemens VersiCharge Gen 2 30 Amp >> charger and it had a NE MA 6-50 plug on the end. >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message >> --------From: Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Date: 3/7/2016 >> 3:18 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List >> <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire >> A Garage EVSE >> Sorry, but I think this is bad advice. >> NEMA 6-50 is not the most common plug. The NEMA 14-50 (RV plug) is by >> far the most useful plug, found in every camping and RV spot, it is used >> for stove or other appliance connection in newer homes (old homes had >> 10-50 or 10-30 for stove and dryer respectively) so I do not know why >> 6-50 is recommended in this article? Are there other areas than what I >> am aware of >> where NEMA 6-50 is common? I could not find them and Wikipedia says of >> the >> NEMA 6: "The higher-current versions are rare..." >> I am only aware of somewhat common use of the NEMA 6-20 which is the 20A >> version that looks like the usual NEMA 5 outlet and plug, but then used >> on window ACs that run on 240V instead of 120V. >> >> I would *definitely* recommend to mount a 14-30 or 14-50 where you want >> to plug in the charger, since that is also useful for the common >> appliances such as a dryer and you can even plug in an RV. >> Conversely, if you mount a 14-50 plug on your charger and carry it, you >> can plug in at any campground or other RV facility. >> >> Cor van de Water >> Chief Scientist >> Proxim Wireless >> office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water >> XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info >> >> http://www.proxim.com >> >> This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and >> proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. 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Any >> unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of >> this message is prohibited. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 12:16 AM >> To: ev@lists.evdl.org >> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE >> >> >> >> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100526_how-to-wire-a-new-garage-for >> -electric-car-charging-what-you-need-to-know >> How To Wire A New Garage For Electric-Car Charging: What You Need To >> Know >> Feb 26, 2016 John Voelcker >> >> [images >> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/garage_100546966_l.jpg >> Garage >> >> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug_100546965_l.jpg >> NEMA 6-50 plug >> >> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-socket_100546964_l.jpg >> NEMA 6-50 socket >> >> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug-in-socket_100546961_l.jpg >> NEMA 6-50 plug in socket >> >> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box_100546962_l.jpg >> Circuit-breaker box >> >> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box-showing-240-volt-circ >> uit-for-electric-car-charging-station_100546963_l.jpg >> Circuit-breaker box showing 240-Volt circuit for electric-car charging >> station >> ] >> One of the more daunting perceived obstacles to driving a plug-in >> electric >> car seems to be the need for a home charging station. >> >> While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt >> charging cords, battery-electric drivers should really have access to a >> 240-Volt Level 2 charging station. >> >> Those will recharge the full battery pack in anything from 4 to 9 hours, >> depending on the specific car. >> >> Many owners will want to retrofit a charging station into an existing >> garage, but to lay out the principles, we're starting with what it takes >> to >> install one into a garage that's being built or extensively remodeled. >> >> We've just gone through that process for a new garage in New York's >> Catskill >> Mountains. (Note this applies only to North America!) >> >> There are several steps, but it's important to understand that the >> wiring is >> the first step, and separate from the charging station--since drivers >> may >> later choose to upgrade to a more powerful station. >> >> First, work with your contractor and electrician to install a dedicated >> 240-Volt line to 1 or 2 feet below wherever you plan to locate your >> charging >> station. >> >> We sited ours in a corner of the building so a car can be recharged >> inside, >> or we can run the cord out underneath the garage door or through the >> regular >> door on the side of the building. >> >> Many contractors won't have any prior experience with electric-car >> charging >> stations, so you may have to educate them. >> >> The easiest way to put it in context is that it's the same kind of >> circuit >> used for electric clothes driers or stoves. >> >> Second, make sure your new circuit is capable of 50 Amps, which means a >> 40-Amp charging rate (using 80 percent of the circuit capacity). >> >> Even if your first charging station is only capable of 24 Amps (as many >> less-expensive ones are), you'll want to "future-proof" your garage >> wiring. >> >> Third, tell the electrician to install a NEMA 6-50 socket--the one used >> by >> most charging stations that aren't hard-wired--in the wall below the >> chosen >> site. >> >> One electrician we spoke to preferred hard-wiring, which eliminates >> resistance heat between the plug and socket, but we wanted to allow the >> charging station to go with us if we move. >> >> Fourth, once you have your garage wired, THEN select your charging >> station >> and bolt it securely to the wall. >> >> Most people will buy a new one; we were lucky enough to have a used one >> given to us by Green Car Reports contributor and electric-car advocate >> Tom >> Moloughney, who was upgrading. (Thanks, Tom!) >> >> There are more than a dozen charging stations on the market today. >> >> They can be bought directly from the makers or found at big-box stores >> like >> Best Buy, Home Depot, or Lowe's--from their websites if not necessarily >> in >> stock at your local outlet. >> >> Things to keep in mind: >> >> - Look for at least 24 Amps of charging capability; 40 Amps is best, >> but >> more expensive >> >> - Charging rate should be at least 7.2 kilowatts, which will handle >> both >> Chevy Volts (3.3 or 3.6 kW) and higher-rate cars like Nissan Leafs and >> BMW >> i3s (6.6 and 7.2 kW, respectively) >> >> - Make sure it has that NEMA 6-50 plug on it! >> >> - Some charging stations are "dumb," while others come from makers >> (e.g. >> ChargePoint) that offer online connections between your charger and a >> phone >> app and/or online site that will show you instant and cumulative >> charging >> statistics >> >> - Ensure the cord is long enough to reach a car parked outside the >> garage. >> We'd suggest 16 feet at minimum, and 25 feet is well worth the extra >> cost >> ... >> >> Remember: It's no more complex than [installing] an electric clothes >> drier >> [outlet] --and there are millions of those in garages all over North >> America. >> [(c) greencarreports.com] >> ... >> http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/28/how-to-wire-your-garage-for-electric-c >> ar-charging-what-you-need-to-know/ >> How to wire your garage for electric-car charging: what you need to know >> FEBRUARY 28, 2016 > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
