Hi Peter, Thanks for the clarification - I too consider installing a NEMA 14 in my garage. For the 2nd clothes dryer, of course ;-)
Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peter C. Thompson via EV Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 2:40 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE Hi Cor, I didn't claim that it made any sense. :) I agree that having the 14-50 plug in the garage makes a lot of sense (which is what I have - for welding, of course). Cheers, Peter On 3/7/16 10:05 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Thanks Peter, for the overview of what plugs the EVSE are supplied with. My issue is that you want to be able to plug the charger into a matching wall outlet and by my experience the 14-30 and 14-50 are the most common outlets so I do not understand why so many chargers have a 6-50 plug even though it is simple to cut it off and mount a 14-50 on the cord, it still does not make sense to expect people to install a 6-50 where they most likely already have a 14-50 and you encounter the 14-50 when you are out and about as RV outlet. > Cor > >> On Mar 7, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Peter C. Thompson via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >> To add to this conversation, here are some commercial chargers: >> >> Clipper Creek LCS-20P - uses 14-30 plug. LCS-25P also uses 14-30. The HCS-40P uses the 6-50. >> GE EVWSWBC-CP01 uses the 6-50 plug. >> AeroVironment EV station (7kw) uses the 6-40 plug. >> Juicebox 40A uses the 14-50 plug. >> AeroVironment Turbocord uses the 6-20. >> Levitron EVB40-PST uses the 6-50. >> Nissan Leaf charger uses 6-50R. >> EV Power Pros 7kw uses 6-50. >> >> The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as the current capacity is sufficient. >> >> So I think it depends on the amount of current you are going to pull. Lower current seems to use the 14-30 and higher current uses the 6-50. >> >> Cheers, Peter >> >> P.S. sorry for the HTML earlier. >> >>> On 3/7/16 5:27 AM, dovepa via EV wrote: >>> That is interesting because I purchased a Siemens VersiCharge Gen 2 30 Amp charger and it had a NE MA 6-50 plug on the end. >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Date: 3/7/2016 3:18 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE >>> Sorry, but I think this is bad advice. >>> NEMA 6-50 is not the most common plug. The NEMA 14-50 (RV plug) is by >>> far the most useful plug, found in every camping and RV spot, it is used >>> for stove or other appliance connection in newer homes (old homes had >>> 10-50 or 10-30 for stove and dryer respectively) so I do not know why >>> 6-50 is recommended in this article? Are there other areas than what I >>> am aware of >>> where NEMA 6-50 is common? I could not find them and Wikipedia says of >>> the >>> NEMA 6: "The higher-current versions are rare..." >>> I am only aware of somewhat common use of the NEMA 6-20 which is the 20A >>> version that looks like the usual NEMA 5 outlet and plug, but then used >>> on window ACs that run on 240V instead of 120V. >>> >>> I would *definitely* recommend to mount a 14-30 or 14-50 where you want >>> to plug in the charger, since that is also useful for the common >>> appliances such as a dryer and you can even plug in an RV. >>> Conversely, if you mount a 14-50 plug on your charger and carry it, you >>> can plug in at any campground or other RV facility. >>> >>> Cor van de Water >>> Chief Scientist >>> Proxim Wireless >>> office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water >>> XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info >>> >>> http://www.proxim.com >>> >>> This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and >>> proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. 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Any >>> unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of >>> this message is prohibited. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV >>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 12:16 AM >>> To: ev@lists.evdl.org >>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100526_how-to-wire-a-new-garage-for >>> -electric-car-charging-what-you-need-to-know >>> How To Wire A New Garage For Electric-Car Charging: What You Need To >>> Know >>> Feb 26, 2016 John Voelcker >>> >>> [images >>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/garage_100546966_l.jpg >>> Garage >>> >>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug_100546965_l.jpg >>> NEMA 6-50 plug >>> >>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-socket_100546964_l.jpg >>> NEMA 6-50 socket >>> >>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug-in-socket_100546961_l.jpg >>> NEMA 6-50 plug in socket >>> >>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box_100546962_l.jpg >>> Circuit-breaker box >>> >>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box-showing-240-volt-circ >>> uit-for-electric-car-charging-station_100546963_l.jpg >>> Circuit-breaker box showing 240-Volt circuit for electric-car charging >>> station >>> ] >>> One of the more daunting perceived obstacles to driving a plug-in >>> electric >>> car seems to be the need for a home charging station. >>> >>> While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt >>> charging cords, battery-electric drivers should really have access to a >>> 240-Volt Level 2 charging station. >>> >>> Those will recharge the full battery pack in anything from 4 to 9 hours, >>> depending on the specific car. >>> >>> Many owners will want to retrofit a charging station into an existing >>> garage, but to lay out the principles, we're starting with what it takes >>> to >>> install one into a garage that's being built or extensively remodeled. >>> >>> We've just gone through that process for a new garage in New York's >>> Catskill >>> Mountains. (Note this applies only to North America!) >>> >>> There are several steps, but it's important to understand that the >>> wiring is >>> the first step, and separate from the charging station--since drivers >>> may >>> later choose to upgrade to a more powerful station. >>> >>> First, work with your contractor and electrician to install a dedicated >>> 240-Volt line to 1 or 2 feet below wherever you plan to locate your >>> charging >>> station. >>> >>> We sited ours in a corner of the building so a car can be recharged >>> inside, >>> or we can run the cord out underneath the garage door or through the >>> regular >>> door on the side of the building. >>> >>> Many contractors won't have any prior experience with electric-car >>> charging >>> stations, so you may have to educate them. >>> >>> The easiest way to put it in context is that it's the same kind of >>> circuit >>> used for electric clothes driers or stoves. >>> >>> Second, make sure your new circuit is capable of 50 Amps, which means a >>> 40-Amp charging rate (using 80 percent of the circuit capacity). >>> >>> Even if your first charging station is only capable of 24 Amps (as many >>> less-expensive ones are), you'll want to "future-proof" your garage >>> wiring. >>> >>> Third, tell the electrician to install a NEMA 6-50 socket--the one used >>> by >>> most charging stations that aren't hard-wired--in the wall below the >>> chosen >>> site. >>> >>> One electrician we spoke to preferred hard-wiring, which eliminates >>> resistance heat between the plug and socket, but we wanted to allow the >>> charging station to go with us if we move. >>> >>> Fourth, once you have your garage wired, THEN select your charging >>> station >>> and bolt it securely to the wall. >>> >>> Most people will buy a new one; we were lucky enough to have a used one >>> given to us by Green Car Reports contributor and electric-car advocate >>> Tom >>> Moloughney, who was upgrading. (Thanks, Tom!) >>> >>> There are more than a dozen charging stations on the market today. >>> >>> They can be bought directly from the makers or found at big-box stores >>> like >>> Best Buy, Home Depot, or Lowe's--from their websites if not necessarily >>> in >>> stock at your local outlet. >>> >>> Things to keep in mind: >>> >>> - Look for at least 24 Amps of charging capability; 40 Amps is best, >>> but >>> more expensive >>> >>> - Charging rate should be at least 7.2 kilowatts, which will handle >>> both >>> Chevy Volts (3.3 or 3.6 kW) and higher-rate cars like Nissan Leafs and >>> BMW >>> i3s (6.6 and 7.2 kW, respectively) >>> >>> - Make sure it has that NEMA 6-50 plug on it! >>> >>> - Some charging stations are "dumb," while others come from makers >>> (e.g. >>> ChargePoint) that offer online connections between your charger and a >>> phone >>> app and/or online site that will show you instant and cumulative >>> charging >>> statistics >>> >>> - Ensure the cord is long enough to reach a car parked outside the >>> garage. >>> We'd suggest 16 feet at minimum, and 25 feet is well worth the extra >>> cost >>> ... >>> >>> Remember: It's no more complex than [installing] an electric clothes >>> drier >>> [outlet] --and there are millions of those in garages all over North >>> America. >>> [(c) greencarreports.com] >>> ... >>> http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/28/how-to-wire-your-garage-for-electric-c >>> ar-charging-what-you-need-to-know/ >>> How to wire your garage for electric-car charging: what you need to know >>> FEBRUARY 28, 2016 >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
