The need for zero emission vehicles has been around for significantly
longer than efforts to reduce CO2 emissions.
For many parts of the country (and world), local levels of air
pollution have tremendous impacts on human health and the environment.
If you believe that we can solve the CO2 problem by eliminating coal,
and you think that it can be done in a reasonable amount of time, there
still remains a urgent need for zero and near-zero emitting vehicles.
- Mark
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From: dovepa via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Peri Hartman via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey
defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper Date: 5/13/16, 6:49 PM
I don't see a need to eliminate the internal combustion engine. Most of
the CO2 comes from burning coal. According to the EPA only 14% comes
from transportation. All forms of transportation together road, rail,
air and marine.
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-------- Original message --------From: Peri Hartman via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> Date: 5/13/16 4:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Mike Beem
<beemik...@gmail.com>, EVDL Administrator <evp...@drmm.net>, Electric
Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN:
Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy
carbon) battery paper
The range problem definitely does exist. How are you going to get rid
of ICE vehicles for long range travel if you can only go 100 miles or
so
per charge? Even 200 miles.
This has nothing to do with the vehicle you might use for everyday
commuting and errands. Yes, 100 miles is almost always plenty for
that.
And, yes, you can rent something if you want to go long range.
But we're talking about getting ICE vehicles off the road. That long
range vehicle needs to go 300-400 miles on a charge to be practical.
Some have to be built and there needs to be high wattage charging
stations along the interstates and major highways. And, another
factor,
if only a small percentage are built, economy of scale won't work and
they will be quite expensive.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mike Beem via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "EVDL Administrator" <evp...@drmm.net>; "Electric Vehicle
Discussion
List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: 13-May-16 2:06:31 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy
carbon) battery paper
They are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
Most of us on the EVDL have been saying this for years -- that 100
miles of
range is plenty for almost anyone.
Well stated, both of you! I definitely am ready for that 100 mile
range,
having over the years never had more than my current 40 mile range
pack.
However, it still does carry me for more than 95% of the miles I drive
most
months. I do have a 3/4 ton diesel pick up truck for pulling my dump
trailer, and hauling any any loads too heavy, large or messy for the
EV
Escort, but with its roof rack I have carried ladders, lumber etc. for
much
of what I do; and the truck generally gets driven less than 500 mile
per
year, so its contribution to ICE pollution is as minimal as I can make
it.
Having now sold off or given away all of my remaining EV projects, I
know
that I am probably driving my last home made EV, but it still has 5
1/2
years to go to finish my experiment=can I drive a conversion EV on one
lithium pack with a total investment of $10000 for 10 years? (not
including
tires or brakes).
Time will tell, but so far, I have seen no degradation in range or
power.
Michael B
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV <
ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
On 13 May 2016 at 6:31, dovepa via EV wrote:
> They are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
Most of us on the EVDL have been saying this for years -- that 100
miles of
range is plenty for almost anyone.
It's true, but outside of EV hobbyists, hardly anyone believes it.
The
public perception is that they need range close to what they get on
a
tankful of gasoline now.
We know that "range anxiety" is a myth. But "journalists" keep
hammering
at
it, and the public buys it. So to them, it's real.
We can educate these folks until we drop from exhaustion and it
won't
change
more than a couple of their minds. We can even have them track
their
weekly mileage. It makes no difference.
Vehicle buyers demand long range, just in case they ever need it.
It's the
same attitude that makes people buy huge pickup trucks and drive
their
clunky, awkward 18-mpg beasts year in and year out, even if they
only
haul
something big once a year (or less).
Perception is reality. It doesn't pay to fight it. What does pay
is
asking
people who actually buy vehicles what they need, listening to them,
and
then
building and offering for sale an EV that meets those perceived
requirements
and needs, whether they're real needs or not.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator
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