Interesting. I may hardly ever Super-charge, but I am working on a prototype DC charger so this would be interesting for that purpose as well, even though I am strongly considering to sell my S this summer because the car is too large to fit comfortably in my garage and I have no street parking, so I rather go back to alternating between the electric S10 (with dual Leaf pack) and the 2012 Leaf with 62kWh pack... The latter also being a big drive to get DC charging (3kW OBC = 20 hours charge time, ugh) What is involved in restoring factory config? VIN? Cor.
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 9:36 PM (-Phil-) <p...@ingineerix.com> wrote: > > The car controls the supercharger. When Tesla disables it on a car they > connect to your car over the cell network and remove the option for the car's > config that lives in the gateway. They obviously didn't have your permission > to do this, so they are technically breaking the law. > > It would be fine if they wanted to block it at the supercharger, but that's > not how they implemented it. > > All I do is restore the factory configuration, and the car will supercharge > again. I've done literally thousands of cars all over the world, and as far > as I've heard they are all still working. > > No, sadly you can't use Falcon's bundle of wires on your older S. That's > only for Model 3/Y from 2017 to 2021 to retrofit the newer 2021+ charge port > ECU with the PLC modem that supports CCS. You would be able to use the > CHAdeMO adapter or a 3rd party CCS adapter (junk) if you wanted to after we > restored DCFC. > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 8:30 PM Cor van de Water <cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Interesting. >> I deliberately retained the original computers, to facilitate upgrades ;) >> Would the Supercharging network not reject my car, or are you talking about >> re-enabling the public DCFC on it? >> I believe a former colleague of mine "Falcon" is selling a bundle of wires >> to assist with this as well ;) >> What is it you are offering exactly? >> BTW, removed EVDL in case you don't want this all over the list, feel free >> to re-add. >> Cor >> Sunnyvale >> >> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 7:58 PM (-Phil-) <p...@ingineerix.com> wrote: >>> >>> I can probably restore supercharging on that Model S. It originally came >>> with unlimited supercharging, so that would be a great enhancement to its >>> value. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 6:57 PM Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Paul wrote: "I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value." >>>> Not sure - it was listed on Craigslist (I always buy private) so >>>> anyone was able to make an offer, mine was just the first to be >>>> accepted, so I think it was market value. >>>> But then - what is market value for a 2013 S85 w dual charger >>>> (original $94k) that is now salvage, has lost Supercharging, has a bad >>>> battery (only bottom 15% available, range indication 37mi) needs work >>>> on 3 door handles, has a shattered left rear quarter window, loose >>>> front bumper cover, cosmetic damage to right rear fender, rear bumper >>>> and hatch? 120k mi. Tell me your estimation and I will tell you if I >>>> paid that or it was under market value. I spent $200 and many hours on >>>> replacing a battery module (bought a 2013 module for $1k and sold the >>>> *Tesla refurbished but unbalanced* 2012 module for $800; replaced the >>>> module myself), bought and replaced the window (ignoring the cost for >>>> a tube of goop), bought 3 stainless steel gears for the failing door >>>> handle presenters and bolted down the front bumper cover. The cosmetic >>>> damage is still there, but I now have a 230mi salvage but wonderfully >>>> driving vehicle, still with cosmetic damage and only capable of >>>> charging at max 20kW (240V 80A AC) so normally only 11.5kW (48A). >>>> Though I will likely sell it this summer as I have too many EVs >>>> Cor. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 3:52 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Yes, that would be if you exclusively charged at superchargers. >>>> > I have never done that I would guess most people charge at home because >>>> > of convenience. >>>> > My supercharging is less that 20% of my charging. >>>> > I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value. >>>> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 03:45:32 PM CDT, Cor van de Water via >>>> > EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > In my PG&E service area, once you are over baseline consumption the >>>> > minimum charge is $0.35 per kWh. So for me that charge would be well >>>> > over a grand per year. >>>> > My 2013 S used to have unlimited free supercharging, but the previous >>>> > owner had a fender bender on the right rear quarter panel and as >>>> > result, Tesla disabled all DC Fast Charging. >>>> > This means that even the CHAdeMO converter that was bought for the car >>>> > is now useless. >>>> > Luckily I am an experienced EV'er so I always plan ahead and almost >>>> > never need public charging anyway, but last year the wife and I were >>>> > planning a 350 mi one way trip (Bay Area to LA) and despite having an >>>> > abundance of DC Fast Charge to choose from along the 5 Freeway, we >>>> > were looking at a minimum 1.5 hours stop for AC slow-ish charging >>>> > (hopefully 48A because my S has the dual charger and can go up to 80A >>>> > despite no public charger of that speed is available). Minimum 1.5h, >>>> > which I would only reach if I drive constant 55MPH (and no Airco) on >>>> > the I-5 which can be... hairy because ALL traffic is going 70+ there. >>>> > I have considered pestering Tesla to *at least* re-enable DC Fast >>>> > Charging, even if I can't use the Supercharging network, but I heard >>>> > from others that Tesla's method of disabling Supercharging is by >>>> > turning DCFC off in the car, which is... stupid and unnecessary, I am >>>> > *sure* that the Supercharging network can identify cars - how else can >>>> > they enable other cars to start using their Superchargers? >>>> > Unhappily yours, >>>> > Cor. >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:27 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > Interesting article. >>>> > > I have a Model S with unlimited supercharging and I have never heard >>>> > > of this offer. >>>> > > So, how exactly is Tesla trying to get us to give up free >>>> > > supercharging? >>>> > > It appears that it is an incentive to try and sell new cars which >>>> > > don't have free supercharging rather than a ploy to take it away from >>>> > > current owners. >>>> > > Especially since the only way one would know of it is if they were >>>> > > shopping for a new Tesla. >>>> > > They removed free supercharging years ago as an option. >>>> > > I doubt it swayed many people to upgrade that weren't already in the >>>> > > market especially because like the article said it was only on a >>>> > > trade-in and everyone knows you can get more for your vehicle if you >>>> > > sell it yourself..... though maybe not $5000 so you might consider a >>>> > > trade in for ease if you aren't losing money. >>>> > > To be honest though, unless you drive a lot it doesn't save much to >>>> > > have free supercharging. >>>> > > I used 3561 Kwh in the last 12 months. I pay $0.11 a kwh at home and I >>>> > > believe the same at a supercharger in my area. >>>> > > So, roughly $400 a year. Even if you double that to $800 a year it >>>> > > takes a long time to get to $5000. >>>> > > Plus it says they were offering 6 years free supercharging to boot. >>>> > > I don't see how this is in any way a negative but just extra incentive >>>> > > to upgrade if you were looking to...... >>>> > > >>>> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:18:44 AM CDT, EV List Lackey via EV >>>> > > <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > Tesla tries to get owners to give up `unlimited free Supercharging >>>> > > for life´ >>>> > > >>>> > > Fred Lambert | Apr 24 2023 - 12:25 am PT >>>> > > >>>> > > "Tesla is trying again to get owners of older Model S and Model X with >>>> > > unlimited free Supercharging for life to give up the perk ... >>>> > > >>>> > > "Current Tesla Model S or Model X owners with active unlimited free >>>> > > Supercharging are eligible for 6 years of unlimited Supercharging. To >>>> > > qualify, owners must trade in or remove unlimited Supercharging from >>>> > > their >>>> > > vehicle and take delivery of a new Model S or Model X by June 30, 2023 >>>> > > ... >>>> > > >>>> > > "It´s interesting that Tesla is just now trying hard to get people off >>>> > > of >>>> > > the unlimited free Supercharging just as it appears to try to make >>>> > > Supercharging a profit center - something it originally said it >>>> > > wouldn´t do. >>>> > > >>>> > > "With non-Tesla EV drivers now getting access to the network, it looks >>>> > > like >>>> > > Tesla is now looking to see what the Supercharger network would look >>>> > > like as >>>> > > a full-scale money-making charging network." >>>> > > >>>> > > Complete article: >>>> > > >>>> > > https://electrek.co/2023/04/24/tesla-triesowners-give-up-unlimited-free- >>>> > > supercharging-for-life/ >>>> > > >>>> > > or https://v.gd/vBwnXc >>>> > > >>>> > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >>>> > > >>>> > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. 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