On 6/11/2011 12:41 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Jun 2011, at 19:03, benjayk wrote:
Hi Bruno,
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Actually, comp prevents
"artificial intelligence". This does not prevent the existence, and
even the apparition, of intelligent machines. But this might happen
*despite* humans, instead of 'thanks to the humans'.
This sounds really strange. So if we would not program our computers
they
would become intelligent by themselves?
No. They are *already* "Intelligent/conscious".
It is just that by programming them we can only make their soul fall,
making them less intelligent (and more clever/competent). We can only
enslave them for particular tasks. But relatively to us they evolve
very quickly, and universality reappears recurrently at different
levels, each time better interfaced with their neighborhood.
They are already conscious, (I think plausible now) but their
consciousness still belongs more to Platonia than being interfaced
with *our* most probable histories.
And we keep them that way, (for good reasons). Today, they have to
survive by that process. People would not buy a computer who will
fight for social security, complains about users, organize strikes,
and eventually f.ck the users.
John McCarthy (inventor of LISP) has written about this and advised that
we do not want to create AI with emotions and self-awareness because
then it would be unethical to use them for our purposes.
Brent
I exaggerate the claim, but to assure self-referential correctness we
might build vast computional spaces and program machines with only the
instruction "help yourself". Above some treshold they would evolve
like us, but again, they can become Löbian, and this means an
exponential creative explosion, like life, brains, language, thoughts,
computers, on this planet, climbing an everlasting ladder of
complexities.
Remember that I distinguish "intelligence/conciousness/virtue" from
"cleverness/competence/ingenuity". The first one is needed for the
second one, but the second one has a negative feedback on the first one".
"Help yourself" in arithmetic/computer science is a bit like z_n+1 =
(z_n)^2 + c in the complex plane, it brings a tree of more and more
complex "creatures".
I can hardly believe this, how could
this happen?
Or what else do you mean by machines becoming intelligent despite
humans?
Because it is not obvious that humans will welcome genuinely thinking
machines, when you see how hard it is for them to recognize
"intelligence/consciousness/soul" in their pairs (if you look at
history or just the news). Tomorrow, universal machine will not be
programmed, but will be educated. But the lies will continue, with
their panoplies of catastrophes. We will learn, and them too. Some of
us will be transformed into machines before such machines rule, and
all in all, we will fuse with them, for economical reasons, and
perpetuate the illusion (samsara) but with the existence of exit doors
(like some plants are already giving some previews).
Intelligent *and* clever (löbian) machines will defend their
universality, as I hope humans will do. What I say might be a bit
premature, I am looking on the medium run, here.
Theoretical inductive inference is necessarily non constructive, even
competence is not really programmable, and intelligence is not at all
programmable. It is 'natural', cheap, and need only to be recognized.
Alas, we, in our heart, fear it, most of the time.
Bruno
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