On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > 2012/2/14 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net> > > On 2/14/2012 8:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 14 Feb 2012, at 03:55, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> >> >> The idea of a measure that Bruno talks about is just another way of >> talking about this same kind of optimization problem without tipping his >> hand that it implicitly requires a computation to be performed to "find" >> it. >> >> >> Because UDA+MGA shows that even if a "real" primary physical universe >> exists, it cannot explain anything related to what I can feel to observe >> from my 1p view. >> Obviously, the appearance of a universe makes it natural to believe that >> a simple explanation is that such a universe exists, but this has been >> shown to not work at all, once we assume we are Turing emulable. So f you >> are right, then there must be flaw in UDA+MGA, but each time we ask you to >> point where it is, you come up with philosophical reason to discard comp >> (without always saying it). >> >> >> Hi Bruno, >> >> The flaw is the entire structure of UDA+MGA, it assumes the existence >> of the very thing that is claims cannot exist. It is a theory that predicts >> that it cannot exist. How? By supposedly proving that the physical world >> does not exist. >> > > It does not prove that the physical world does not exist... it proves that > a *primitive* material world is irrelevant to predict your next moment, the > current physics of the world. Whether there is a primitive material world > or not cannot change your expectation of your next moment, rendering this > primitive material world devoid of explanatory power. > > > Quentin, This reminds me of the GHZM quantum experiment which seems to suggest that a pre-existing reality does not exist at least according to Lubos Motl. Is that anything like what you mean? Richard > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
