<<*The notion of "choosing" isn't actually important--if a proof says something like "pick an arbitrary member of the set X, and you will find it obeys Y", this is equivalent to the statement "every member of the set X obeys Y"*>> No, the logical operator "every" contains the free will choice inside of it. I do insist that one cannot consider an infinite set of onjects simultaneously! Instead of so doing one considers an arbitraryly chosen object. It is a very specific mathematical operation . By using operator "every" we construct a formalism which hides the essens of matter - the using of a free will choice.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 5/29/2012 10:52 AMOne cannot, John Clark wrote: > > > On Sun, May 27, 2012 Aleksandr Lokshin <aaloks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > All main mathematical notions ( such as infinity, variable, integer >> number) implicitly >> depend on the notion of free will. > > > Because nobody can explain what the ASCII string "free will" means the > above statement is of no value. > > > A new approach to the Alan Turing problem (how to distinguish a person >> from an android) is also proposed ; this approach is based on the idea that >> an android cannot generate the notion of an arbitrary object. >> > > But "arbitrary" just means picking something for no reason or picking > something just because you like it but you like it for no reason; in other > words it means random. It's true that a pure Turing machine can not produce > randomness, however this limitation can be easily overcome by attaching a > very simple and cheap hardware random number generator to it. > > > Or by computing psuedo-random numbers with a sufficiently long period that > no one will be able to determine the algorithm. > > Brent > > > Then the android could be as arbitrary as any arbitrary person, if you > think being arbitrary is a virtue that is. > > John K Clark > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
