Hi Bruno Marchal Intelligence such as had to be present before the Big Bang, is purposeful and so looks forward and is pulled toward final causes. Life is also like that, which puts life as implicitly present before the BB. It strives and is purposeful (has entelechy).
Dead objects are pushed by Determinism or randomness, so not purposeful other than to seek entropy or death (an even lower energy state). No or little entelechy. Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/18/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-18, 06:55:33 Subject: Re: Leibniz on the unconscious On 17 Aug 2012, at 22:40, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal I apologize for my abruptness. Agreed, mathematics can have God-like powers. Nice. By blueprint I meant mental pre-conception of a world. Thus there had to be intelligence before the Big Bang to create the world as such. This presumably would include the pre-established harmony. That is not satisfying unless you explain where God comes from, how he or she or It made the blueprint, etc. But if you are open that God might be "arithmetical truth" (in a sort of meta-way, as with comp) then, I can give sense to your pre-established harmony. We can also explain there why God cannot not create evil, by the same token. Bruno Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/17/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-16, 12:35:53 Subject: Re: Leibniz on the unconscious On 16 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal That's Cosmic Clockmaker argument. I don't think so. If I am machine, neither God, nor physical reality, nor consciousness, nor any Protagorean virtue, can be emulated genuinely on a computer. Computer lived in the arithmetical reality, which is *far* bigger than what can be Turing emulated. Computers can only scratch the surface of reality, but can have also big insight and can propose big theories, and then they can confront it to the observable facts. God created the universe and let it just run by istself with no intervention. With comp it is arguable that God intervene all the time, and you can even awaken it in yourself. God has three facets: the outer god (Plotinus ONE) which is not definable by the machine. Arithmetical truth can play that role, for technical reasons which I sketch in the Plotinus paper. The Middle God, which is Plato No?, or intelligible (by God) realm. This can be shown to be already far bigger than God. Indeed, even with God as an oracle, the No? remains undecidable. Then the inner God, or Universal Soul. This one is personnally accessible, through mystical experience or just meditating on who you are, or by using diverse technic (usually painful). But where or how did God come up with a blueprint ? Explain what you mean, please. I don't understand the question. Bruno Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/16/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-15, 04:45:32 Subject: Re: Leibniz on the unconscious On 14 Aug 2012, at 20:28, meekerdb wrote: On 8/14/2012 10:42 AM, Roger wrote: Hi meekerdb Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." And I'd say why can't everything just function by itself? If "God" is just a placeholder word for "whatever it is that makes things work" it doesn't add much. No, but it is shorter. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
