2012/10/11 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > > On 10 Oct 2012, at 20:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > 2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>: >> >>> >>> On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >>> >>> It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know. >>>> >>>> The same applies to other persons. It may be that the world is made of >>>> zombie-actors that try to cheat me, but I have an harcoded belief in >>>> the conventional thing. Maybe it is, because otherwise, I will act >>>> in strange and self destructive ways. I would act as a paranoic, after >>>> that, as a psycopath (since they are not humans). That will not be >>>> good for my success in society. Then, I doubt that I will have any >>>> surviving descendant that will develop a zombie-solipsist >>>> epistemology. >>>> >>>> However there are people that believe these strange things. Some >>>> autists do not recognize humans as beings like him. Some psychopaths >>>> too, in a different way. There is no authistic or psichopathic >>>> epistemology because the are not functional enough to make societies >>>> with universities and philosophers. That is the whole point of >>>> evolutionary epistemology. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If comp leads to solipsism, I will apply for being a plumber. >>> >>> I don't bet or believe in solipsism. >>> >>> But you were saying "that a *conscious* robot" can lack a soul. See the >>> quote just below. >>> >>> That is what I don't understand. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >> I think that It is not comp what leads to solipsism but any >> existential stance that only accept what is certain and discard what >> is only belief based on conjectures. >> >> It can go no further than "cogito ergo sum" >> > > > OK. But that has nothing to do with comp. That would conflate the 8 person > points in only one of them (the "feeler, probably). Only the feeler is that > solipsist, at the level were he feels, but the machine's self manage all > different points of view, and the living solipsist (each of us) is not > mandate to defend the solipsist doctrine (he is the only one existing)/ he > is the only one he can feel, that's all. That does not imply the non > existence of others and other things. > > That pressuposes a lot of things that I have not for granted. I have to accept my beliefs as such beliefs to be at the same time rational and functional. With respect to the others consciousness, being humans or robots, I can only have faith. No matter if I accept that this is a matter of faith or not.
> I still don't see what you mean by consciousness without a soul. > > Bruno > > > > > >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/10/9 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 09 Oct 2012, at 13:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But still after this reasoning, I doubt that the self conscious >>>>> philosopher robot have the kind of thing, call it a soul, that I have. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> You mean it is a zombie? >>>>> >>>>> I can't conceive consciousness without a soul. Even if only the >>>>> universal >>>>> one. >>>>> So I am not sure what you mean by soul. >>>>> >>>>> Bruno >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/<http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "Everything List" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.** >>>>> com <everything-list@googlegroups.com>. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alberto. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
