Bruno: WHAT 'evidences'??? we have no way to judge them. We either *accept* the (belief-based) figment as "REAL" - i.e. "TRUE", *or not*. The first case we call 'evidence'. Or: justification. Then base our belief (even system) on such. John (M)
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 22 Jan 2013, at 22:52, John Mikes wrote: > > Richard: > and what is - NOT - an illusion? are you? or me? > we have no way to ascertain existence and qualia, we just THINK. > Our science is based on SOME info we don't know exactly, not even if it is > like we think it is. We calculate in our human logic (stupidity would be > more accurate) and then comes a newer enlightenment and we change it all. > Brent wrote a nice list of such changes lately. I use the classic Flat > Earth. > But we live happily ever after and before (not knowing if TIME does indeed > exist?). And some of us get Nobel prizes. Congrats. > > So: happy illusions! > > > Science is only that. The courage to be stupid, and the hope that this > might help to be a little bit less stupid tomorrow. > > But being wrong is, in fact, not really like being stupid. The real > stupidity is what persists. It is staying wrong despite evidences. This > happens often when people try to measure/judge intelligence and stupidity, > especially their own, which makes no sense. We can evaluate special > competence, but we can't evaluate intelligence. > > Bruno > > > > > John Mikes > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:49:09 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > That doesn't have anything to do with your straw man of my position. >> I >> >> > have >> >> > never once said that existence is contingent upon human >> consciousness. I >> >> > state again and again that it is experience itself - the capacity for >> >> > sensory-motor participation which is the progenitor of all possible >> >> > forms of >> >> > 'existence'. Something 'being' means that there is an experience, >> >> > otherwise >> >> > there is no possibility of anything ever coming into being. >> >> >> >> However, in a static Block MWI Universe there is no need for time or >> >> consciousness or experience. >> > >> > >> > Then in what sense does it 'exist'? >> >> It must be an illusion. Either that or MWI is an illusion. Doesn't >> Bruno say that matter is a dream or illusion? Richard >> >> > >> >> >> >> That seems to be Bruno's multiverse. >> >> Although I wonder if his 1p perspective is equivalent to your >> >> motor-sensory experience in order to make time,& consciousness >> >> necessary? >> >> Richard >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/REVm4C8jHA8J. >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
