On 24 Jan 2013, at 22:41, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
WHAT 'evidences'???
I don't see what you are talking about. The word "evidences" does not
appear in the quote.
we have no way to judge them.
We can bet on relations between them.
We either accept the (belief-based) figment as "REAL" - i.e. "TRUE",
or not.
No, we only build hypothesis, and study the interpretations of them,
and their local adequacy with facts.
We don't have to pronounce on the truth, except at the pause coffee
(or other psychoactive substances).
The first case we call 'evidence'. Or: justification. Then base our
belief (even system) on such.
Looks fine for me. Justification are always based on hypothesis, that
we can assume plausible with different degree of local applications.
For the big picture all theories are wrong, but some might be less
wrong than others.
Bruno
John (M)
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 22:52, John Mikes wrote:
Richard:
and what is - NOT - an illusion? are you? or me?
we have no way to ascertain existence and qualia, we just THINK.
Our science is based on SOME info we don't know exactly, not even
if it is like we think it is. We calculate in our human logic
(stupidity would be more accurate) and then comes a newer
enlightenment and we change it all. Brent wrote a nice list of such
changes lately. I use the classic Flat Earth.
But we live happily ever after and before (not knowing if TIME does
indeed exist?). And some of us get Nobel prizes. Congrats.
So: happy illusions!
Science is only that. The courage to be stupid, and the hope that
this might help to be a little bit less stupid tomorrow.
But being wrong is, in fact, not really like being stupid. The real
stupidity is what persists. It is staying wrong despite evidences.
This happens often when people try to measure/judge intelligence and
stupidity, especially their own, which makes no sense. We can
evaluate special competence, but we can't evaluate intelligence.
Bruno
John Mikes
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Richard Ruquist
<yann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:49:09 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Craig Weinberg
<whats...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > That doesn't have anything to do with your straw man of my
position. I
>> > have
>> > never once said that existence is contingent upon human
consciousness. I
>> > state again and again that it is experience itself - the
capacity for
>> > sensory-motor participation which is the progenitor of all
possible
>> > forms of
>> > 'existence'. Something 'being' means that there is an
experience,
>> > otherwise
>> > there is no possibility of anything ever coming into being.
>>
>> However, in a static Block MWI Universe there is no need for
time or
>> consciousness or experience.
>
>
> Then in what sense does it 'exist'?
It must be an illusion. Either that or MWI is an illusion. Doesn't
Bruno say that matter is a dream or illusion? Richard
>
>>
>> That seems to be Bruno's multiverse.
>> Although I wonder if his 1p perspective is equivalent to your
>> motor-sensory experience in order to make time,& consciousness
>> necessary?
>> Richard
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