>> But supposing this giant and very loosely organized group is, as a group, responsible for a bombing because some of it's explosives were used, is a very big stretch. It's much simpler and more likely that a rouge element in one small group, maybe even one man, stole the explosive for use in the attack. Just as it is much more plausible that 19 Saudi's, inspired by Bin Laden, carried out an attack on the World Trade Center by hijacking airliners after a previous attack by Bin Laden's followers using a truck bomb on the same building had failed.
Come on man be serious – the explosive material used to blow 85 people to pieces and shred the lives of 200 more people has been linked to this occult secret paramilitary force that has deep -- and now -- well-known ties to the far right fascist fringe in Italy directly implicated in the bombing. But the evidence does not just stop there – and the fact that the explosive material used in this mass terror atrocity comes from a secret Operation Gladio explosive cache is really damning hard physical evidence – in any court of law -- no matter what you may say to the contrary. If you have evidence that it was some non-sanctioned rogue operation and that the shadowy secret group was mostly unaware and innocent then by all means make it known. What I am trying to demonstrate is that the bombing was NOT a rogue act – as you imply of possibly just one man acting on their own. Instead it was the end result of a cohesive and premeditated strategy of tension that was adopted at the very highest levels of operation Gladio, and this strategy was sanctioned by the CIA (which did not want the “compromesso storico” with the Italian Communist Party that Aldo Moro – leader of a powerful wing in the Christian Democratic Party -- was considering) Conveniently, as things “happened” to turn out -- Aldo Moro was quite soon kidnapped and then later murdered by the brigate rosse, solving that particular problem. Intriguingly a few short weeks before his kidnap he had said – in a television interview -- were infiltrated by the Mossad and the CIA. Aldo Moro’s widow has publicly alleged that Henry Kissinger himself warned Aldo Moro, again shortly before he was kidnapped and then murdered, that he would be severely punished if he continued to consider the compromesso storico (though “trustworthy” Kissinger himself denies he ever said that) What I am telling you is that this was not just one single act…. Horrible as the Bologna terrorist act was. It was an entire series of serious acts orchestrated through penetrated organizations on the right AND on the left… the P2 (and analogous secretive organizations in Germany, Belgium and elsewhere in Europe) were pulling the levers in all the dark occult corners. In fact there are quite a number of other circumstances linking operation Gladio – and crucially the people now known to have been at the vertices of this shadowy paramilitary & terror network -- to the strategy of terrorism and to the attempted military coup de tat in 1972 as well, which came closer than most people are aware to happening. This was debated internally and the pre-meditated decision to this path -- known as the strategy of tension – was taken at the very highest levels. It was based on cold blooded, cold war driven, political calculus. http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/vinciguerra.p2.etc_graun_5dec 1990.html Links between Gladio, Italian secret service bosses and the notorious P2 masonic lodge are manifold. The chiefs of all three secret services - Generals Santovito (SISMI), Grassini (SISDE) and Cellosi (CESSIS) - were members of the lodge. In the year that Andreotti denied Gladio's existence, the P2 treasurer, General Siro Rosetti, gave a generous account of "a secret security structure made up of civilians, parallel to the armed forces". And from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio And even in 1990, "Testimonies collected by the two men (judges Felice Casson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felice_Casson> and Carlo Mastelloni investigating the 1972 Peteano fascist car bomb) and by the Commission on Terrorism on Rome, and inquiries by The Guardian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian> , indicate that Gladio was involved in activities which do not square with Andreotti's account. Links between Gladio, Italian secret services bosses and the notorious P2 Masonic lodge are manifold (...) In the year that Andreotti denied Gladio’s existence, the P2 treasurer, General Siro Rosetti, gave a generous account of 'a secret security structure made up of civilians, parallel to the armed forces' There are also overlaps between senior Gladio personnel and the committee of military men, Rosa dei Venti <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rosa_dei_Venti&action=edit&redlin k=1> (Wind Rose), which tried to stage a coup in 1970.”[5] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#cite_note-Vulliamy-5> When taken all together the preponderance of both circumstantial evidence, as well as subsequent sworn testimony of multiple powerful individuals contradicts your suggestion that this was some lonely rogue act. I suggest you step back from the one single act horrible act in Bologna and look at all of the numerous various terrorist acts and political assassinations going on then – and not just in Italy, but in Germany & Belgium as well. When taken altogether the evidence suggests this was not some rogue operation, unknown to the sweet innocent CIA lambs of Langley Virginia (and the vertices of NATO). The entire strategy of tension seems rather more likely to have been crafted instead in Langley Virginia (or perhaps, in off-site meetings on one of the exclusive horse farms that are located near there, including some that quite conveniently have their own private jet runways… for unseen coming and going.) -Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What gives philosophers a bad name? On 9/28/2013 12:37 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >> I agree with most of what you wrote above, but that last is nonsense. There is no way the government could have engineered the 9/11 attacks without it being leaked even before it happened. Remember Occam, you need to take the simplest explanation. Brent I agree that logically it would seem so, but recent history has shown that, in fact, very large scale conspiracies CAN be kept hidden & operate in the occult worlds, over long duration periods spanning many decades, with any leaks and discoveries – and they did happen from time to time -- being successfully managed (by simply ignoring them, sowing a plethora of misinformation, misdirection, and alternate false “theories”, and of course by the time honored practice of bald faced lying) I suggest you read up on the now more widely known history of "Operation Gladio". It is a morbidly fascinating subject matter. Gladio (and its sister paramilitaries) was a secret stay behind clandestine CIA/NATA founded and run multi-national paramilitary organization that was successfully hidden away from public knowledge Not in the newspapers, doesn't mean it was unknown. Obviously many thousands of people knew of the organizations intended to form an underground resistance if Europe were overrun by Soviet forces. for many decades and would in all likelihood still be a hidden part of history -- unknown to all, but the inner circles of conspirators -- where it not for the testimony provided by the Italian prime minister and perennial post war political figure in Italy -- Giulio Andreotti -- during his trial in the Italian Parliament in the 1990. According to former CIA director William Colby, Operation Gladio was 'a major program'; this was not some small fringe operation (it was a large multinational paramilitary organization with active branches in several European countries, operating under different code names). From Wiki <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio> : Belgium, the secret NATO army was code-named SDRA8, in Denmark Absalon, in Germany TD BJD, in Greece LOK, in Luxemburg Stay-Behind, in the Netherlands I&O, in Norway ROC, in Portugal Aginter, in Switzerland P26, in Turkey Özel Harp Dairesi, In Sweden AGAG (Aktions Gruppen Arla Gryning), and in Austria OWSGV. However, the code names of the secret armies in France, Finland and Spain remain unknown. Operation Gladio has been linked to many terrorist operations conducted during the 1980s, "Linked" is the weakest from of innuendo. Bruno's post claiming the 9/11 acts were false flag attacks can be read as "linking" the Bush administration to the attack. especially in Germany and Italy. Perhaps the most damning terrorist operation, it has been implicated in, is the Bologna train station massacre of 1980 (in which 85 Italian civilians waiting in the Bologna station were brutally murdered and another 200 seriously wounded, and that was, by many measures, the most deadly mass terrorist attack in the post WWII Western world -- up until 911) "The attack has been materially attributed to the neo-fascist <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-fascism> terrorist organization Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclei_Armati_Rivoluzionari> . Suspicions of the Italian secret service's involvement emerged shortly after, due to the explosives used for the bomb and the political climate in which the massacre <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre> occurred (the strategy of tension <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension> ), but have never been proven." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#1980_Bologna_massacre "The makings of the bomb... came from an arsenal used by Gladio... according to a parliamentary commission on terrorism... The suggested link with the Bologna massacre is potentially the most serious of all the accusations levelled against Gladio, and comes just two days after the Italian Prime Minister, Giulio Andreotti, cleared Gladio's name in a speech to parliament, saying that the secret army did not drift from its formal Nato military brief." Brent – the facts basically speak for themselves. The government (or rather occult elements in the government) DID engineer the creation and maintenance of a clandestine secret paramilitary force, complete with large arms caches and an organizational command structure and thousands of members, across many European nations (and in the US – from where it was largely run out of Langley Virginia). Invoking the principle of Occam’s razor, while usually valid, does not always mean that the actual reality is more complex and convoluted than the simple (but perhaps naïve ) explanation suggested by applying this principle. But supposing this giant and very loosely organized group is, as a group, responsible for a bombing because some of it's explosives were used, is a very big stretch. It's much simpler and more likely that a rouge element in one small group, maybe even one man, stole the explosive for use in the attack. Just as it is much more plausible that 19 Saudi's, inspired by Bin Laden, carried out an attack on the World Trade Center by hijacking airliners after a previous attack by Bin Laden's followers using a truck bomb on the same building had failed. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. 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