Don't you suppose that all those costs passed on to the poor public would have
an X crosses Y moment, but now? Wouldn't Joe Sixpack be raging about the
"Goddamn Costs" of electricity if this was so? Do you feel that all the people
all over the world are susceptible to bribed, corrupt, rulers? Lets us
considerJapan, after Fukushima. I have avidly, read, about the Japanese trying
to find a substitute for uranium 235. Ever since the tsunami, I have looked at
pictures of a floating island of rubble, heading for US territory Hawaii,
California, I have seen pictures, of weird plant mutations of some crops,
downstream from the Fukushima site.
Japanese are now, desperately, looking as their islands have few other
resources, they can turn to for lighting their cities. What I find is that it
isn't solar or wind they are principally, looking toward now. They are
researching the mining or extraction of methane ice in the oceans, know as gas
hydrate or methane hydrate. I do not know what the damage to sea life will be,
if much. I do know that I wrote about a news article from the science journal,
Bioscience, from two dudes (professors) from the University of Colorado report
bat kills up to a million from wind turbines. I am betting that on all other
matters they are on your side of this argument, but this one gets people's ire
up, because its a matter of fact. All I demand is that whatever energy sources
we use that it be affordable, abundant and able to work on a 7 x 24 hour day
basis. Plus, I don't like it when technology takes an ideological bent.
Engineering should be engineering.
Of course there's no commercial incentive to switch from fossil fuel
because when you sell energy from fossil fuel you don't have to pay
all the cost you impose on the public.
Brent
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From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World
On 11/9/2013 9:50 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Chris, I just read a study by the U of Colorado, published in the
Journal, Bioscience, claiming that up to 1 million bats have been
killed by green energy wind turbines.
?? And that is significant compared to what? Nine million birds killed
each year by flying into building? Human deaths due to fossil fuel
pollution?
"Annual $ cost of pollution deaths from a new 400 MW coal-based power
plant. Taking the European valuation of $5 million per person (see:
http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=8836), the ANNUAL cost due to deaths
of Victorians (Australians) of a new 400 MW coal-based power plant = 50
persons x $5 million/person = $250 million ANNUALLY."
Human disability due to fossil fuel pollution?
"HOWEVER, morbidity (illness) costs can be 6 times mortality costs. The
Ontario Ministry of Energy study estimated that the costs from long-term
exposure were more than six times those from premature deaths (avoidable
deaths, excess deaths) (see: http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=8836)."
The arrival of solar power, its decline in price, and thus it will
power all human civilization never arrives.
Sez your crystal ball.
Its what the math people call asymptotic, which in this case means, it
never achieves target, it never gets there. The same with nuclear
fusion, despite happy reports. It never gets there after decades of
research. Thus, it cannot be Relied Upon to substitute for Dirty
energy sources. What might prime the technological pump is the market
place, where supply and demand are invoked, and there is commercial
reason to produce minus government hand outs to crony companies, in
Germany, and in the US. With tax payer monies, these companies
vanish, like farts in a high wind, like Solyndra did. Unreliable
substitutes are non substitutes.
Of course there's no commercial incentive to switch from fossil
fuel because when you sell energy from fossil fuel you don't have to
pay all the cost you impose on the public.
Brent
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