On 02 Dec 2013, at 20:35, Samiya Illias wrote:
On 02-Dec-2013, at 11:45 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:46, Samiya Illias wrote:
Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages:
On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of
Israel by Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed
and females kept alive, It reads that it was a great trial from God.
At another place, it reads that know that whatever happens to you,
good or bad, it is all inscribed in a decree before we bring it
into existence. This is so that you do not despair of whatever
passes you by, nor exult over ...
There is a lot going on all over the world that one would like to
wish away, but it helps to understand that all things / events /
circumstances are trials, temporary and transient. In this life,
nothing is a reward or punishment, rather everything is a trial,
and an opportunity to do good deeds through helping those in need.
Reward and Punishment are concepts associated with the Hereafter,
and are of a permanent nature.
I can make sense, but in the machine's theory, some truth there
need to remain silent, as they will look like nonsense for some
people. It is of the type "only going without saying".
Okay
No, he didn't say "Oops!", God exhorts us to reflect and ponder!
Are you open to doubt your theory? Or some points in your theory?
There was a time when I doubted. I read and discussed with many
theists of other faiths and atheists. I also studied the Quran more
objectively, questioning the translations and my interpretations. I
am still open to new ideas and do accept what convinces me. However,
I find that I am more convinced now than before.
Careful not to confuse first person conviction, which sometimes are
founded, and what you can communicate to others, which should be
interrogative, if only to avoid a feeling of being not understood when
the matter was only a vocabulary issue.
If not it means you stay connected to the incommunicable part, and
you take the risk of saying to much, and fuel disbelief, even and
especially when not wrong.
If I do not honestly give my input, its not fair to others. Choices
come with consequences, and when seeking truth, one must take
risks... I hope my honesty is of help to someone.
I suspect, a bit by theory, a bit by experience, that you lose all
battles, in the long run, if you present yourself as someone knowing
the truth, especially inn front of platonist of buddhist, or
mechanist, who suspect that *all* experience (but one or two) can fail
us. The one on which we cannot be failed are private, not communicable.
And, btw, what is your position on computationalism, because this
is an hypothesis shared by many here (if only for the sake of the
argument).
I believe we are all in a giant software and everything, including
us, are computed. So, your deductions from your work do fascinate me.
Nice.
Would you accept that you or some friend get an artificial digital
brain?
Like Ganesh? :)
That's hyper-advanced computationalism :)
With a copy of your brain at the right substitution level is simpler
to begin with ...
Have you think about this question? Have you an idea of the
consequence for consciousness and physical realities, and for the
possible theologies?
Or you're suggesting 'soulless' clones?
I was thinking to the fact that the physical reality might be
deducible from what any universal machine can discover looking inward.
That pythagorus and Plato might more correct than the Aristotelian on
that matter.
Machines, or numbers, discover more than that in the process, in fact
more than the mathematical reality, in a sense.
Bruno
Samiya
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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