On 30 Dec 2013, at 09:02, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Why do you not consider an isomorphism between the Category of
computer/universal-numbers and physical realities?
Gibve me the axioms. I know the dominical categories (of Turing
morphism), but just to get the definition needs a 15h course in
actegory theory, which is more complex than anything we talk about here.
Just gives me the axioms (not a link, please).
That way we can avoid a lot of problems!
I think that it is because of your insistence of the Platonic
view that the material/physical realm is somehow lesser in
ontological status
But that is a consequence of computationalism. Not an assumption.
and the assumption that a timeless totality = the appearance of
change (and its measures) is illusory.
It is not an illusion, from inside. It is only an illusion from God's
view, which we have to ignore (when living on this terrestrial plane
at least).
What you do is putting your feet in God's shoes, look at the reality,
see that it is static, and then asking yourself where change can come
from. The answer is only, look closely to what the entities appearing
"inside" are saying, and you can see how and why they are "deluded" in
believing in time.
I would like to be wrong in this presumption!
Eventually it is also a sort of confusion between 1p (with time and
consciousness) and 3p, without time, and without consciousness.
Your argument against time is isomorphic to the argument that
consciousness does not exist as you can look everywhere, in all brain,
and you will not see it. You will see only 3p interaction. 1p-Time
(and with comp 3p-time) are similar. They are relative internal
realities.
Bruno
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 29 Dec 2013, at 20:30, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/29/2013 5:59 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Liz,
Reality doesn't seem to have any difficulty computing the results of
random choices.
If reality computes, then reality is a computer/universal-number. If
reality is physical reality, then this is the digital physics
thesis, which is self-contradictory (due to the UDA).
Also, computing and obtaining a random result is contradictory by
itself, as computing is determinated. It can make sense with a
quantum computer, or with self-duplication, (or both like in
Everett), so you might clarify here. Are you (Edgar, Brent) assuming
a quantum computer? With comp this is a sort of treachery, as far as
we are concerned with the fundamental reality.
Bruno
That's how practically all computations occur. If we assume, or
define, reality as computational then reality is computing random
results by definition. It's obviously something that reality math
does quite well.
It's not Church-Turing, but it might be the way the world works.
Brent
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