Bruno, I only insult people who insult me first, which you and Liz did earlier today and yesterday by referring to me as "a Troll". If you insult someone you should expect to receive the same.
If you don't I certainly won't..... OK? Edgar On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:05:57 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Edgar, > > > On 04 Mar 2014, at 15:02, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Bruno, > > It may be that some plants respond to music or at least to sound but to > claim "some plants love music" is an unwarranted anthropomorphism that > demonstrates a rather 'New Agey' mentality. > > Can you link me to any slow motion videos in which plants move IN SYNCH > WITH MUSIC? I rather doubt it but I've got an open mind. > > Extreme claims demand a modicum of evidence. Of course there is NO > evidence at all for comp so I won't be surprised if you can't come up with > any for "plants love music". > > > About plants loving music, you take my words far too much seriously, and > you have already acknowledge that your theory implies comp, so that you > should learn its consequences, which makes your point possibly consistent > with an internal view of the "block mindscape" of the universal Turing > machine (computer in the mathematical sense). (but it makes it definitely > inconsistent as reified "reality"). > > Don't infer from that that I would be certain that some plants don't love > music, as I am too much ignorant for that. But their behavior is amazing, > notably on larger scale. > > > > Hmmm, isn't that a symptom of what you and Liz claim Trolls do? > :-) > > > Only a troll can add a smiley to an insult, I think. > > I mean that you know that we are *seriously* asking ourself if you are not > a troll. > > In this list we are open minded and basically agnostic, we don't a priori > assume god, matter, universe, numbers, or whatever, and then try theories > by making clear the assumptions. > > I will comment your posts only if I got them. And without them I will > eventually put you in the spam list, if you insist on the boring insulting > strategy. > > I think you convince no one on this list. > You loose. > Come back when better prepared. > Just give us a link with your assumptions, and mode of reasoning. > Stop insulting us. > > > Bruno > > > > > Edgar > > On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 4:05:04 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 04 Mar 2014, at 03:11, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> >> On 4 Mar 2014, at 9:48 am, LizR <liz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the impression >> that "Carmina Burana" is, at the beginning at least, 4 beats to the bar, >> not 3? >> >> >> >> Maybe I missed the point. I am not "musical" (except that I like >> listening to music). >> >> >> >> You would have to be halfway musical to even pick up on that! Indeed “O >> Fortuna” (the first song of Orff’s “Carmina Burana”) is cast in 3 beats to >> the bar at the opening, certainly when it gets fully under way... >> >> I just checked it on the full orchestral score. This is interesting >> because the “threeness” of this huge opening is not explicit, which is what >> I was saying earlier. “Beat” in music is simple arithmatic, yet even with >> such simple resources as ordinal numbers associating with each other >> (somehow!) to produce these qualia that gives me an aesthetic impression of >> circularity is already incredibly advanced and difficult to describe. Tis >> the magic of the numbers. >> >> Music IS numbers, but the qualia it induces in my consciousness are >> something else. If I understand that part of comp correctly. >> >> >> The qualia are not numbers, indeed. No 1p notion at all can be a 3p >> notion, like numbers are. But a qualia can be associated to some 1p >> notions, which arise in some of the self-referential machine's talk, when >> distinguishing the proofs and the truth available by that machine, and >> taking into account many intensional combinations. >> >> By the way, did you know that some plant loves music. There is even a >> dancing plant, which seems to dance on classical melody, but not on noise >> or on too rocky music. >> >> If interested here is a video on plant's mind: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeX6ST7rexs&list=WL20F101EB06378011 >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> K >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> ============================ >> >> Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL >> >> Email: kimj...@ozemail.com.au >> Mobile: 0450 963 719 >> Landline: 02 9389 4239 >> Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com >> >> "Never let your schooling get in the way of your education" - Mark Twain >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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